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New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos #1511366
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Thought I'd start a new thread now that they've been announced.

English brochure: http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/catalogue/MP-e.pdf

Release dates (in Japan at least) appear to be 11-5-2010 for the MP6 and 12-3-2010 for the MP10:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/ep/products/mp6/?p=ep_top
http://www.kawai.co.jp/ep/products/mp10/?p=ep_top

Update:
MP6 page in English: http://www.kawai.de/mp6_en.htm
MP6 manual in English: http://www.kawai.de/service/mp6_e.pdf
MP6 audio demos: http://kawaius.com/main_links/digital/PRO_2010/mp6_audio.html

MP10 manual in English: http://www.kawai.de/service/mp10_e.pdf
MP10 audio demos: http://kawaius.com/main_links/digital/PRO_2010/mp10_audio.html

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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511368
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MP10/MP6 news release (in Japanese):

http://www.kawai.co.jp/press/2010/0908-2.asp

Cheers,
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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511371
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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511372
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¥ 273,000
¥ 178.500

How much in Euro?


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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Kawai James] #1511373
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My Japanese translation skills are also a bit rusty, as you can see: whistle

MP10: Total of 27 tones (UPHI)

Piano (9), E. Piano (7), Krabi (2)
Strings (3), Pad (3), vibraphone,
Harpsichord, choir


MP6: Total of 256 tones (PHI)

Piano (28), Harpsichord (4),
E. Piano (20), Krabi (4), Mallett (8)
De Rover (32), organ (28)
Accordion (4) Strings (20)
Vocal (12) Brass (32)
Pads and synth (32), bass (12)
Guitar (16), drum kit (4)


Would love to see the actual sound lists from the user manual, though! cool


K A W A I ..... R O L A N D ......... E - M U
C A - 9 3 ......... A X - 7 ...... X B O A R D - 4 9
Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511375
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Obert, according to xe.com, 273000 yen = 2557 euro = $3250 USD

178500 yen = 1671 euro = $2126 USD

Now, of course that's just a mechanical calculation on today's exchange rate. I don't know what the pricing will be in each individual country; I'm sure the products will cost relatively more in some locales and relatively less in others.

Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511379
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Yes, it would be interesting to know the official prices of other known models, just for a simply comparison.

CA93, for instance, is about 2.700 euro here in Italy.


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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: arley] #1511381
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More importantly, both new ones are about 10,000 yen (about $120) more than the boards that they are replacing.

So, should be similarly priced to the MP5 and MP8II hopefully.

MP5: 168,000
MP6: 178,500
MP8II: 262,500
MP10: 273,000

Aaron


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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: TADutchman] #1511390
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Originally Posted by TADutchman
Would love to see the actual sound lists from the user manual, though! cool


The sound names aren't terribly imaginative, I'm afraid.
However, nor do they mean a great deal - many of the acoustic and electric piano sounds use new samples not found in previous Kawai instruments (yes, including the CA93...), so it's not really possible to draw direct comparisons.

Cheers,
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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511398
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The brochure's a nice piece of work. Lots of pertinent information but not too technical and written in language a musician will relate to. I wonder whose work this was? wink


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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Deffie] #1511401
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James, can you explain in layman's language what the difference will be between playing a UPHI-equipped piano and a PHI piano? In other words what will be lost in the MP6 compared to the MP10?

Thanks.


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Re: New Kawai MP6 and MP10 Stage Pianos [Re: Kawai James] #1511404
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
...many of the acoustic and electric piano sounds use new samples not found in previous Kawai instruments...

That's quite mysterious, especially for the acoustic piano sounds (UPHI); let's wait and see! wink


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voxpops, UPHI requires twice the amount of sample memory as PHI - it's a more detailed and therefore more expressive sound.

Cheers,
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I am really looking forward to trying the MP6. Why not the MP10? Simply too heavy for an aging, gigging musician. Which is a shame. And while I'm sure that the MP6 will be a fine instrument, I have a question/complaint/plea that is addressed to Kawai, Roland, Yamaha: why do you feel it necessary to dumb down the lighter-weight models in your range?

Obviously, the lighter, plastic action has to be accepted as part of the deal, but how much does the better software weigh? Why should those of us who need a more portable model have to put up with an inferior engine? I know it's all down to marketing techniques, but these are stage pianos; surely the powers that be know that there are plenty of players who will pay a premium for the best electronics but who cannot manage the extra weight.

That said, I really hope that these two new entrants blow the CP range out of the water.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
voxpops, UPHI requires twice the amount of sample memory as PHI - it's a more detailed and therefore more expressive sound.

Cheers,
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My point (in my last post) precisely. So, James, let's have an MP6II with the UPHI. I don't want to sacrifice 50% of the sound detail to save my back!


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So James, now that they're announced is there any chance we can see those manuals you've been working on?

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Originally Posted by voxpops
I am really looking forward to trying the MP6. Why not the MP10? Simply too heavy for an aging, gigging musician. Which is a shame. And while I'm sure that the MP6 will be a fine instrument, I have a question/complaint/plea that is addressed to Kawai, Roland, Yamaha: why do you feel it necessary to dumb down the lighter-weight models in your range?

Obviously, the lighter, plastic action has to be accepted as part of the deal, but how much does the better software weigh? Why should those of us who need a more portable model have to put up with an inferior engine? I know it's all down to marketing techniques, but these are stage pianos; surely the powers that be know that there are plenty of players who will pay a premium for the best electronics but who cannot manage the extra weight.

That said, I really hope that these two new entrants blow the CP range out of the water.


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I'm GASing like crazy!

The new MP10 is gorgeous! I suppose the depth is bigger then MP8 because of the RM3 action.

It's great the pitch bend and mod wheel placement, good job Kawai!

For me it would be a piano to keep at home for studying, so no problem for weight, but the fact it is less wide than MP8 really helps.

I'm looking forward to try it!

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Originally Posted by voxpops
James, can you explain in layman's language what the difference will be between playing a UPHI-equipped piano and a PHI piano? In other words what will be lost in the MP6 compared to the MP10?

Thanks.


My understanding is UPHI is "ultra progressive" while PHI is just "progressive". I think this means the UPHI has more velocity sample layers. I think Kawai uses the term "progressive" to mean what most of us call "velocity layers"

If I'm right then you should hear a more realistic change in tone as you move from pp velocity to ff.

BTW what will the marketing people have to come up with next? What's after "ultra". Maybe in 10 years Kawai will have "WSMUHI" and "APUHI" so people will have to ask if "Way Super Mega Ultra HI" is better or worse than "Advanced Premium Ultra HI" Why can't they just come out and say what it really is?

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Now, let the speculation begin as to where the price points are for these two items.

The MP5 lists for $1495 but was available online for around $1100; the MP8ii lists for $2495 but was available online for around $1900...

I would imagine that Kawai would price the MP6/MP10 a bit higher, if for no other reason than to keep everyone who bought an MP5 or MP8ii last month, from kicking themselves.

It does seem that they did a good job of allowing the stocks of old instruments to be cleared before introducing the new stuff. However, if there is a retailer out there with a stack of MP5's or MP8ii's that they want to sell at a huge discount, I sure would be interested. (Either of those two instruments is far superior to my talents. Me getting an MP10 would be like Mr. Magoo getting a Maserati.)

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