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#1508857 - 09/04/10 08:02 AM Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD  
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Just up on you tube - A VIDEO clip of the upcoming CD.

Jeffrey shares his thoughts as well as clips, with a great technique closeup as frosting on the cake with 'Courante' from the French Suite #5 at the end.

The first recording for the new Steinway & Sons label - 'Bach on a Steinway', J.S. Bach played in a 17th century style, Jeffrey Biegel, pianist

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#1508858 - 09/04/10 08:07 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Thanks for posting this! I hope everyone will get the cd and enjoy it. It was certainly an exciting cd to record!

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Nice work from what I just heard. Love the D major prelude...it's part of my technical warm-up every day. Was that a Kalmus edition of the Toccatas that I saw? Hahahaha.



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#1508904 - 09/04/10 11:00 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Jeffrey,
This is wonderful, especially your playing of the Courante! Thanks!!

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#1508912 - 09/04/10 11:26 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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i dont like many painists versions of bach besides gould.... i gotta say i love it... love your playing.

i've always liked the rather strong and near percusive style to articulate the multiple lines of music and you do that well.

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#1508913 - 09/04/10 11:31 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: sophial]  
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Originally Posted by sophial
Jeffrey,
This is wonderful, especially your playing of the Courante! Thanks!!

Sophia
I agree. I love the additional ornamentation on the repeats. Very tasteful.

#1508916 - 09/04/10 11:40 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Beautifully done! I will look forward to the CD.

Thank you, lilylady, for posting the video!

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Yes, it is Kalmus. Adele Marcus preferred the Hans Bischoff editions on what was Belwin-Mills--then Kalmus.

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Terrific! I very much enjoyed your ornaments as well.


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#1509004 - 09/04/10 02:56 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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I am so glad everyone likes this--pianists and piano teachers are the toughest critics! You guys are the best! The ornamentation was created very carefully, so as not to upset anyone or ruffle purist feathers. I think we accomplished what we set out to do.

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This is just how I like my Bach. I only wish more pianists in the world had the guts to pull it off. Well done, sir, and thank you.

The way your ornaments sound-fluid and lyrical in the midst of all of that ordered, articulate counterpoint, shows true mastery.

Bravo

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
The ornamentation was created very carefully, so as not to upset anyone or ruffle purist feathers.


Meh....in spite of a wrongminded motivation, I still really liked the ornaments. Probably not as much as if your intention was specifically to upset purists and leave them with terribly ruffled feathers. wink


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#1509168 - 09/04/10 09:19 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: JBiegel]  
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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Yes, it is Kalmus. Adele Marcus preferred the Hans Bischoff editions on what was Belwin-Mills--then Kalmus.

Yay, I'm in good company! All of my Bach is in Kalmus! smile

Well done, Jeffrey! I loved the performances. The variation in ornaments was nicely done, and well within the notion of baroque playing (in my opinion).

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Excellent playing!! Great job!! I can't wait to get the recording!!


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Yes, it is Kalmus. Adele Marcus preferred the Hans Bischoff editions on what was Belwin-Mills--then Kalmus.

Yay, I'm in good company! All of my Bach is in Kalmus! smile

Well done, Jeffrey! I loved the performances. The variation in ornaments was nicely done, and well within the notion of baroque playing (in my opinion).


God, I can't believe ANYONE uses Kalmus for Bach.



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#1509279 - 09/05/10 02:46 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Good tasteful job - we've come a long way since Gould!


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Originally Posted by keyboardklutz
Good tasteful job - we've come a long way since Gould!


I would bet large sums of money that Mr. Biegel loves Glenn Gould's Bach.


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There are things that Mr. Gould did that were quite wonderful. But overall, I think he went in a direction that he truly believed the piano could imitate a harpsichord and the ornamentation was executed in the style of the harpsichord. The sonority of the piano was a bit too dry and brittle for my taste, and thus, lost the uniqueness of the piano's ability to produce Bach's vocal lines and warmth. But that's just my opinion. He was a genius in his use of Baroque practice, no matter the instrument.

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Uh oh.....I think I lost my bet....good thing no one took me up on it! laugh


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This is absolutely great ! I can't wait to get the cd and have a listen. How was the recording process? I'd love to hear anything your willing to tell us about it.

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Uh oh.....I think I lost my bet....good thing no one took me up on it! laugh


I'd have taken your bet had I seen what you'd said. It's obvious from Mr. Biegel's playing that he is in no way affected by the Gould syndrome (thank God).



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Recording was great fun. Some run throughs and hardly a fix here and there. I wanted complete takes so I can say, 'I can play it like that without stops and starts'.

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Originally Posted by keyboardklutz
Good tasteful job - we've come a long way since Gould!


I agree! He's not my reference for Bach, that's for sure. But I do not want to label him as a bad pianist at all. Very gifted man.

On topic, amazing video! Your CD will be fantastic for sure!

1:39 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE THAT PIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laugh laugh laugh

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Uh oh.....I think I lost my bet....good thing no one took me up on it! laugh


I'd have taken your bet had I seen what you'd said. It's obvious from Mr. Biegel's playing that he is in no way affected by the Gould syndrome (thank God).


I am not sure what you mean by "the Gould syndrome", although I am assuming you are referring to pianists whose Bach sounds like an imitation of Gould's style and approach.
If that is what you mean, I would agree with you that what I heard of Biegel's Bach is his own and not an imitation of Gould or anyone else.
And I apologize to Mr. Biegel for answering the other person's comment on Gould and distracting focus from his wonderful playing.


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Myra Hess was a wonderful Bach player, as was Edwin Fischer. But the main things I learned from Adele Marcus were rhythm, vocal lines, terraced dynamics, voicing as in a chamber orchestra, touch and phrasing. And, making the ornaments as part of the melodic material--slow ornaments in slow pieces, faster in fast pieces. One should be able to sing any phrase at any given time.

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voicing as in a chamber orchestra... making the ornaments as part of the melodic material... One should be able to sing any phrase at any given time.


All excellent points with Bach.



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If I may ask, please add your comments at You Tube for the Bach video. It would be so helpful and appreciated! Thanks so very much!

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I'm jealous i cant make a living playing music... count your lucky stars my friend, you earned it.


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wow o wow.

absolutely superb. I apologize for sounding sexist but i love hearing a man play Bach like a man, providing something beyond the sterile perfection of the music as written.

i enjoy sterility and finesse but am impressed with your manly rendering of this music that exhibits such gusto and life. your music springs from the piano.

I do imagine Bach as a passionate, lively and strong man... who played with great aplomb and flourish....a show off and entertainer as well as genius.

What other songs are you recording on this cd?

(off to see if i can still rip thru the D major prelude, which i too warm up with occasionally).



I loved the courante and the aria(?) close to the beginning - (what is that?)


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My goodness, apple. Sterility, finesse and a feminine condition are hardly equivalent. You can have your Bach "rare" or even tartare without impugning women performers. smile

Good luck with your CD Jeff. Good previews so far!

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i knew that would come off oddly.

i was thinking the sterility is due to the harpsichord purists who play on pianos


i just passion and gusto and one sees it rarely in Bach on the piano..

(the organ is another story).


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I knew you did not mean quite like that.. I wanted nonetheless to tease you about it..

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wow o wow.

absolutely superb. I apologize for sounding sexist but i love hearing a man play Bach like a man, providing something beyond the sterile perfection of the music as written.

i enjoy sterility and finesse but am impressed with your manly rendering of this music that exhibits such gusto and life. your music springs from the piano.

I do imagine Bach as a passionate, lively and strong man... who played with great aplomb and flourish....a show off and entertainer as well as genius.

What other songs are you recording on this cd?

(off to see if i can still rip thru the D major prelude, which i too warm up with occasionally).



I loved the courante and the aria(?) close to the beginning - (what is that?)


Does he sing also? I must listen again as I must've missed something.



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i don't know the name of the piece (Stores).. and i've played it at about time 1.19 - 20.

oh and by the way I have the Bischoff 7 toccatas.. those are great.

you guys are making me feel like a peasant.


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Hahaha! You asked what other song are on the cd, so, of course I assumed he sings as well. =p



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omgosh.. i provided the ultimate faux pas with the remark.

heh


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I don't sing--horrible voice--but that's why I make the piano sing for me. Don't forget, song came before the harpsichord. The Renaissance period was all about songs and dances.

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http://www.listenmusicmag.com/in-the-studio/at-play-with-bach.php

Hope you enjoy this warm interview for Listen magazine!

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Just read. Well written and interesting. Congrats! smile


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Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the Listen magazine article!

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Juxtaposing this Bach cd release, on September 28, Naxos releases an all-Zwilich cd featuring works for piano and orchestra. In 1998, I created the first largest consortium of orchestras in the history of commissions. 27 orchestras commissioned the 'Millennium Fantasy' which blends traditional 20th century music with jazz inflections and a drum set on stage. Added to this, Ellen's beloved tribute to Charles M. Schulz--the 'Peanuts Gallery' in six short Peanuts character movements. The two piano work, 'Images' is quite special and performed by two amazing pianists who also teach at Florida State University. I hope you will enjoy this cd along with the Bach.

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How lucky to have study with Ms. Marcus!!!!

An enjoyable listen - just wanted to say that I have always been told that the Kalmus is great if you pick and choose among what he left, as much of it is still quite tasteful but some of it is outdated.


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bach: prelude and fugue in b-, book i (WTC)
mozart - sonata in D+, k. 576
schumann (transc. liszt) - widmung
coulthard - image astrale
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The Bischoff edition at least, teaches something about ornamentation as opposed to 'urtext' which has virtually nothing but notes. Students of Bach's music, as we all are forever, need some guidance, and I find the Hans Biscoff to be terrific.

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Does anyone have students learning Bach works right now? Would you instruct them to study several of the embellishments? Write them out, play them, and then start to add a few in their score where they feel it might sound good?

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Haha the Biegelmeister!


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Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Does anyone have students learning Bach works right now? Would you instruct them to study several of the embellishments? Write them out, play them, and then start to add a few in their score where they feel it might sound good?


Every single student I have studies Bach and ornamentation is something they all work on within and without the score. I do encourage them to add ornaments, but not on an "if you feel it sounds good" basis.



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There is an out of print book called "Bach's Ornaments" that I have always borrowed from my teacher - it was especially useful for me in deciding on ornamentation for the Courante from the 2nd Partita and I am sure would have been useful for many others!


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bach: prelude and fugue in b-, book i (WTC)
mozart - sonata in D+, k. 576
schumann (transc. liszt) - widmung
coulthard - image astrale
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Originally Posted by stores


Every single student I have studies Bach and ornamentation is something they all work on within and without the score. I do encourage them to add ornaments, but not on an "if you feel it sounds good" basis.


on what basis then?

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Hi Jeffrey,

Phenomenal playing. What you said about taking Bach out of context really struck me. I feel exactly this way about classical music. There is such an enormous amount of extraneous baggage associated with this music that it is so frustrating when you feel as we do. I wish everyone could just hear it, as you said. When I hear Bach, and all the other great composers we love to listen to and play, it is so alive and emotionally poignant, RIGHT NOW. This is the true timelessness of great art, the profound emotional resonances created within that span the generations.

"Old" music?! Ha! I didn't know that there were old middle C's and new middle C's.

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Thanks, Antony! Then you must be a wonderful interpreter! To answer the other question, I suppose I first heard the extra ornamentation in my inner ear--tried to play it, change it, etc until I was happy with it--or discarded it. Right up to the recording sessions. Even now, I would do things differently. However, the more I did this, the easier it became to do. In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
...In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.

Igor Kipnis did the same with Pathetique, in a fortepiano recital.

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Originally Posted by antony
Hi Jeffrey,

Phenomenal playing. What you said about taking Bach out of context really struck me. I feel exactly this way about classical music. There is such an enormous amount of extraneous baggage associated with this music that it is so frustrating when you feel as we do. I wish everyone could just hear it, as you said. When I hear Bach, and all the other great composers we love to listen to and play, it is so alive and emotionally poignant, RIGHT NOW. This is the true timelessness of great art, the profound emotional resonances created within that span the generations.

"Old" music?! Ha! I didn't know that there were old middle C's and new middle C's.


Man, I really like this!
Of course I feel just the same.

#1514157 - 09/13/10 06:51 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Two weeks countdown to release of the cd! Arkiv Music is getting excited as well. Say, has anyone of this forum heard about my Mozart Sonata cycle on E1? I do similar treatment with the sonatas. Volume 1 is out, and we are waiting for volume 2 (which I recorded already--may come out as digital first due to new focus at the company) My Vivaldi 'Four Seasons' on Naxos has similar Baroque improvisatory treatment.

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Tell you what, Mr. Biegel, you're one fine pianist! Really enjoyed your Pathetique though I probably would have played the 2nd movement a little differently, but I'm glad to hear diversity in interpretation that still resounds as genuine. I'm not sure I find anything too wrong with it. I certainly liked your Bach, can't wait to hear your Mozart.

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Originally Posted by David Burton
I'm not sure I find anything too wrong with it.


I must say, were I JBiegel, I'd probably be thinking, "umm yeah...thanks..."



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"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."

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You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Thanks, Antony! Then you must be a wonderful interpreter! To answer the other question, I suppose I first heard the extra ornamentation in my inner ear--tried to play it, change it, etc until I was happy with it--or discarded it. Right up to the recording sessions. Even now, I would do things differently. However, the more I did this, the easier it became to do. In 1997, I added short cadenzas to the last movement of Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata at the dominant seventh chords fermata--similar to his Third Piano Concerto where short cadenzas exist.


WHAT??? You improved Beethoven??? Ohmigosh... Someone please bring me the smelling salts! stores??? stores???? Help!!! I'm...fainting..!!!

Honestly, JBiegel, what a treat to listen to! Thank you so much for sharing! I agree with apple -- you play with such authority, verve and sprezzatura (I mean that in a GOOD way!)! Go, man, go!

--Andy


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Originally Posted by JBiegel
You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.


You’re very welcome, and we should all be approving of the work of others more and hedge our criticisms recognizing the tremendous amount of work it takes to produce anything at all.

I’m also making another prediction; the concept of “playing with authority” which I may have coined though I don’t want the credit for it, may become a standard approach. There is a point that comes with all of us working on particular pieces where the notes are pretty much in hand and we begin to focus on the conception of the music itself, and THEN we can approach that concept with AUTHORITY; really playing every phrase as if we intended it to be played a certain way without hesitation or any feeling that someone who thinks they may know better may be standing behind us to criticize what they themselves probably couldn’t do. I trust enough of you can read through my lines to understand my meaning.

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If we are in good mood and spirit, we can play with 'authority', but always in performance there is something left to chance and spontaneity.

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Originally Posted by David Burton
Originally Posted by JBiegel
You'd be surprised. We're too close to our own playing--and I am happy when someone likes what I do. It's a stamp of approval, given that everyone comes to their comments with experience, taste and personal feeling. I appreciate that more than you know.


You’re very welcome, and we should all be approving of the work of others more and hedge our criticisms recognizing the tremendous amount of work it takes to produce anything at all.

I’m also making another prediction; the concept of “playing with authority” which I may have coined though I don’t want the credit for it, may become a standard approach. There is a point that comes with all of us working on particular pieces where the notes are pretty much in hand and we begin to focus on the conception of the music itself, and THEN we can approach that concept with AUTHORITY; really playing every phrase as if we intended it to be played a certain way without hesitation or any feeling that someone who thinks they may know better may be standing behind us to criticize what they themselves probably couldn’t do. I trust enough of you can read through my lines to understand my meaning.


Amen!

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September 28 is the release date for the Bach cd. I am hoping to receive the pre-release box today or tomorrow where I am on tour. I will let you know. Keith--thanks for the invite--we should make the Bach master class happen in the spring of 2011. Sounds like fun!

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I just received the cd. I think everyone will be happy with it. Please post your responses here after you have a listen. The actual release date in still 9/28 but I have the pre-release copy. The packaging is splendid and graphics are clear and complimentary to the cd.

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How does the sound quality on the CD compare to the sound in the video and samples on Arkivmusic? The video and samples sound angular and punchy (extremely high contrast in dynamic ranges), but I can't tell if it's the interpretation or the engineering.

(Not that a high-contrast approach to dynamics in Bach is a bad thing, it's just that my tastes are for a smoother, longer line. Something more vocal than percussive.)


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Me too--I found the cd much better though. I am a STRONG advocate for vocal line in Bach. One thing to keep in mind, is that a cd is NEVER a valid enough and definitive sound experience compared to listening to the person playing in the same room as you.
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Since there has been tremendous pre-order buzz with the release date of September 28, please check my web site and, if you read the Calendar, if I will be near to where you are, please let me know!

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Loved it. Want it.
Well done. When are you coming to Australia?


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Bach Prelude & Fuge WTC II No 12 in F minor
Aspiring to Rautavaara - Piano Sonata 2 - Fire Sermon
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I'm disappointed you're not coming to the Dallas/Fort Worth area. Oh well....

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Oz--I hope to get to Australia sometime soon--working on getting an orchestra to join the Zwilich Global Project for Ellen Taaffe Zwilich's 'Shadows' project. ChrisKeys, I would be delighted to be in Dallas/Fort Worth area. Just waiting for the invite and have put in dibs to the DSO for Lowell Liebermann's Third Concerto since Lowell had been the Dallas Symphony's Composer-in-Residence.

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Oz--I hope to get to Australia sometime soon--working on getting an orchestra to join the Zwilich Global Project.


Tell me more, tell me more!
How big an orchestra do you need? What sort of orchestra? Can you elaborate on the Zwilich Global Project?



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Bach Prelude & Fuge WTC II No 12 in F minor
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Just googled your project Jeffrey

I hope we get to hear you down under!

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Bach Prelude & Fuge WTC II No 12 in F minor
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Hi Oz--If you send an email to me at sharpnat@aol.com, I can send the project proposal to you. I will say that, having an orchestra in Australia will be most important in bringing the world together in this commissioning project. The title is 'Shadows', because for many years, peoples have migrated from their roots to other lands, taking with them shadows of their homeland, culture, religion, etc. The score will be for small orchestra. We have the US and Iceland on board, with the premiere scheduled for November 5, 2011 with the Louisiana Philharmonic.

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
ChrisKeys, I would be delighted to be in Dallas/Fort Worth area. Just waiting for the invite and have put in dibs to the DSO for Lowell Liebermann's Third Concerto since Lowell had been the Dallas Symphony's Composer-in-Residence.

Please be sure to post here on PW if / when you're going to perform in DFW. I'll be sure to buy a ticket or two! smile

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RE: BACH ON A STEINWAY

9-29-2010

IT HAS ARRIVED!

'Bach On a Steinway' was ordered directly from ArkivMusic on the 26th for release on the 28th. It is now the 29th at 2PM and I am listening to a fantastic performance with tears streaming down my cheeks.

Never have I been so in touch with Bach.

Thank you for sharing your talent and interpretations with us, JB!

And for ArkivMusic for the quick shipment.

Roberta


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My copy arrived today--wow--I can only echo the praise! Lovely playing and wonderful sound (nothing beats DPA/B&K 4006 mics for the piano!) Your clearly delineated counterpoint is marvelous. The only elements that would improve it are had it been released in a multi-channel SACD format and if it included the Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue! smile


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I just ordered my copy. Looking forward to getting it soon!

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Hmm now you have gotten me interested, what does it cost?

Ah found it on amazon.de, but its the download version which is 9,31 total (great price btw)

Where could I order in Europe the CD version, and how much is that?

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Thanks so much for your very kind comments. Victor, I believe if you go to this link, you can purchase the cd:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=509084

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Thanks for the link, but thats in the US. The price of the cd is great, 15$ is a price I would definitely pick it up for, but now there comes 8$ shipping on top of it, and customs. Is there a European Distributor?

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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
#1530088 - 10/07/10 09:35 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: Victor25]  
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According to Arkiv Music, not yet. You can buy it digitally of course through Arkiv Music, iTunes, Amazon...plus, with exchange rates being what they are, the price will end up being about the same in Europe since the CD will be more expensive there.

#1530091 - 10/07/10 09:39 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Its going to be my first online digital purchase of music!


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Downloading as we speak, I also bought your cd of the Vivaldi transcriptions!

Wow, amazing recording quality! Obviously terrifically played, you do Bach justice! Thanks for a great cd!

But did anyone else notice clipping in the loudest passage's? For instance 0:42 track 1. I must say I listen over-critically because i have KRK Expose E8B's.

Ok I just rendered it in Logic, and there was no clipping, also in playback no clipping. Does anyone know why iTunes gives me clipping? I'm glad its not in the recording though ! Very nice quality indeed!!

It seems it has to do with the iTunes functions of volume optimizer and sound optimizer. By turning them off it sounds much better already.

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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
#1530197 - 10/07/10 12:48 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Fantastic!! Here's the Amazon link in case you and others reading don't have it:
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Steinway...mp;s=music&qid=1286449885&sr=1-1

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Originally Posted by Victor25
Thanks for the link, but thats in the US. The price of the cd is great, 15$ is a price I would definitely pick it up for, but now there comes 8$ shipping on top of it, and customs. Is there a European Distributor?

Cheers


I see Amazon.com shows it on their UK site too, but it's 30.99 pounds (roughly $49.36 USD?), and currently on back order.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bach-Steinw..._1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286471277&sr=1-1


I guess digital download is the way to go for Europeans, at least for now.



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#1530828 - 10/08/10 09:32 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Thanks, Frank!

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It's also available in Spotify!

spotify:album:6vP44HvmSftOPM9v1mKsvU

#1531563 - 10/09/10 10:00 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Arkiv Music seems to want this to go very big--so everyone who can please spread the word, I am sure this will be most helpful. It's for the Steinway and Sons label, as they will have four releases per year. (So maybe a Grammy wouldn't look so bad on the piano??LOL!)

#1531602 - 10/09/10 11:10 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Anyone who has had a listen to this cd, please feel free to write your own reviews at the Amazon site (provided you like the cd~~thanx!)
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Steinway...mp;s=music&qid=1286449885&sr=1-1

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Just saw the recording pop up on Naxos Music library, and im listening to it right now! great stuff

#1531674 - 10/09/10 12:49 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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yes, Naxos's library is a treasure trove!!

#1532139 - 10/10/10 06:39 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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For those who may be awake in various time zones, this evening at 7pm Eastern US Time (sometime during the hour between 7-8pm), there will be an interview which I recorded with WCPE to promote the new cd, 'Bach on a Steinway'. This is the link for Windows Media:
http://istreampl-classicstation-live.wm.llnwd.net/istreampl_classicstation_live

Here is the link for other WCPE online listening:
http://theclassicalstation.org/internet.shtml

Here is the link for the event:
http://theclassicalstation.org/press/2010_10_WCPE_Bach_on_Steinway.shtml

Hope you can listen in and enjoy the interview--I haven't heard it yet as it was recorded and edited by the WCPE team.

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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Anyone who has had a listen to this cd, please feel free to write your own reviews at the Amazon site (provided you like the cd~~thanx!)
http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Steinway...mp;s=music&qid=1286449885&sr=1-1

Just wrote a review (using my name here, ChrisKeys). Jeffrey, I just received my CD yesterday and listened to all of it. Great job, fantastic sound. Emotion and drive throughout. I'm very pleased. Keep up the good work!

#1532194 - 10/10/10 09:37 AM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Hi Chris--thanks--just came up on my news--very kind of you--and glad you are enjoying the cd. Of course, now I listen to it, and perform some of the pieces and they are different from the cd--that's what makes this music so amazing!
Take care,
Jeffrey

#1532597 - 10/10/10 08:07 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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The WCPE interview came on early before 7pm--but there will be a big fund drive for the radio station on Sunday, October 17 at 6pm Eastern Time.

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Hi Jeffrey, I'm listening to the CD right now - for about the fourth time today. smile I bought a download from itunes. I'm a newly converted Bach fan, and your CD is fabulous. Thank you.


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Originally Posted by JBiegel
Of course, now I listen to it, and perform some of the pieces and they are different from the cd--that's what makes this music so amazing!

Yes indeed! But now you have to record yourself again so we can hear the differences! smile

Just kidding, of course. Congrats again on a job well done.

#1533223 - 10/11/10 03:54 PM Re: Bach on a Steinway - Jeffrey Biegel - intro to upcoming CD [Re: lilylady]  
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Thanks, Daffodil--and Chris, we should figure out a way to refresh interpretations like the pop folk do with re-mixes! Unfortunately, it wouldn't work with solo piano rep!

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