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Most difficult Mozart composition for piano?
#1507380 09/01/10 07:25 PM
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Wow I was on Pandora and Mozart's PIano sonata no 13 in B flat major, played incredibly by Horowitz, came on

Now this is the most complex Mozart piano piece I have yet to listen to.

I dont usually do Mozart, but this was very impressive (well its Horowitz, anything is impressive when he plays it!)


is there kind of a difficulty rating system for Mozart piano works? I would think this one would be very high on that list!


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I'd say it's about in the 50th percentile of difficulty for the solo works.

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K. 333 is not one of the harder Mozart sonatas. The most difficult technically is K. 576; the hardest to nail down musically is the A minor, K. 310, and technically it's not simple either.

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jeffreyjones #1507425 09/01/10 09:13 PM
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Aren't the concerti overall harder than the sonatas? (I could be wrong.) Either way, as just an example, the last movement of K. 467 looks like a nightmare (but sounds so wonderful when played well, as does all Mozart). When I look back on it, I'm sometimes happy I only pained myself with just the first movement, but I'd love to go back and finish it.

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jeffreyjones #1507437 09/01/10 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones
K. 333 is not one of the harder Mozart sonatas. The most difficult technically is K. 576....

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....the hardest to nail down musically is the A minor, K. 310.....

Not to me -- in fact, if anything, sort of the opposite -- because the music and figurations are such that if you can handle it technically and have even just a basic feel for the style, it almost 'plays itself.' Sure, there are musical challenges that separate the good from the very good from the great, but.....maybe we're talking about different things; I think we probably are. I'm talking about how hard or not hard it is to make it 'sound good.'

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I'd say K.450 is the most difficult concerto. K.466 isn't far behind, followed by K.491. The finale of the Jeunehomme is a piece of work.

For the solo works, nothing tops K.576, but I think after that comes K.284 (which no one really talks about anymore), assuming the variations are played at a nice, solid pace.


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Brandon_W_T #1507461 09/01/10 10:43 PM
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I don't think it's accurate to consider K333 on the easier side. From what I have heard and played I would characterize it as harder than average, though not in the top difficulty group. It's one of the sonatas that decent high school players often master.

Perhaps Kreisler can weigh in here with his view.

Oh, and if you want to play a difficult Mozart piece, try the horn concertos. grin

P.S. We're working up one of those at my house now. It's a bear. Lip trills, for instance, are rather more difficult than trilling on a keyboard.

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Piano*Dad #1507468 09/01/10 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
....Oh, and if you want to play a difficult Mozart piece, try the horn concertos. grin

P.S. We're working up one of those at my house now. It's a bear. Lip trills, for instance, are rather more difficult than trilling on a keyboard.

ANYTHING on the horn is hard -- I mean, unless you don't care if you get the notes or not. Or in fact anything resembling a musical sound at all. ha

BTW......who's the horn player?

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Brandon_W_T #1507469 09/01/10 10:59 PM
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My son is. Who else? Surely you don't think that "I" would pick up that thirty-foot brass-coil snake and try to blow notes! grin

If he can pull it off well, there are a couple of concerto competitions he might enter in December and early January.

BTW, he played the K333 two years ago. Check that one off the list! smile

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Piano*Dad #1507471 09/01/10 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
My son is. Who else?.....

Wow!
The same son that we know???

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Brandon_W_T #1507475 09/01/10 11:16 PM
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Yes, the very same. My youngest also plays, but he's strictly a woodwind guy (flute, piccolo, and penny whistle).

My oldest was blessed with luck. When he was in sixth grade band, his band director told him that he should switch to the horn. Being agreeable, he dumped percussion and picked up the brass monster. After paying his dues, and working past the farting elephant stage, he got lucky again. The teacher we were using, who really wasn't a horn player, moved away. We inquired at the college about who taught the horn, and whether or not the person might have openings. He did indeed have openings, and happily added one more. That person is the principal horn of the Virginia Symphony, and one kick-butt player. Oh, and a heck of a nice guy, too! So Anthony has been under his instruction for five years now. He is finally at a level where he can seriously approach this kind of music. But the horn is such a difficult instrument that you don't want to enter concerto competitions unless you really have the technique down well. Bumbling though a difficult work just doesn't cut it. Anthony had braces for the last two years, and any brass player can tell you what that does for your tone, not to mention your lip! At least he gets his senior year braces free.

If you want to hear a great recording of the one he's working up (no. 3 in E-flat, 1st movement) listen to the Youtube recording by Baumann on the natural horn.

Horn Concerto no. 3, 1st Mov't

The Mozart horn concerti are truly sublime.


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Piano*Dad #1507479 09/01/10 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
Yes, the very same.....

Cool!
BTW.....I think 'piano and horn' is a pretty unusual combo for the same person.

Probably most common: piano and violin.
Next most common: also piano and violin. ha

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Brandon_W_T #1507564 09/02/10 05:17 AM
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Piano and guitar too.


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Brandon_W_T #1507650 09/02/10 09:23 AM
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I don't think thats common.


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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jeffreyjones #1507946 09/02/10 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffreyjones

The most difficult technically is K. 576.


And has the nicest slow movement of all his piano sonatas, IMO.


Patience's the best teacher, and time the best critic. - F.F.Chopin
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What makes 576 so difficult? I've been learning it, and it hasn't seen a teacher yet but it doesn't seem to have any out of the ordinary road blocks. Definitely a finger buster though.


repertoire for the moment:
bach: prelude and fugue in b-, book i (WTC)
mozart - sonata in D+, k. 576
schumann (transc. liszt) - widmung
coulthard - image astrale
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I think everything Mozart wrote is difficult, the music is so beautiful, the sonatas are all so into the ears of the worldpopulation, one couldn't hide any mistakes, and the standard of playing his music has gone sky-high, I must agree with Rubinstein (or whoever else said it): Mozart is easy for young people, impossible for grown-ups, to notice any technical difference between KV 333 and KV 576 would be quite useless, they are both very beautiful and hard, although I prefer 333...and 332...and 331


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I'm not too crazy about the arpeggios in K. 533 first movement. K. 310 first movement has a lethal development section and a difficult final page.

I find his later concerti (No. 20 onward) to be difficult, musically and technically.


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
I must agree with Rubinstein (or whoever else said it): Mozart is easy for young people, impossible for grown-ups


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