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#150565 - 07/27/05 01:15 AM Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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So, after going through the birthing pains of finding a piano that suits your esthetics both in touch, tone and perhaps to a lesser degree visually (and perhaps budget) does it live up to your expectations? After owning for a while and becoming more intimate with your instrument, are you still in love?

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#150566 - 07/27/05 05:18 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Good thread!

Just an observation, but I have found that some folks that are very sensitive to touch and tone have a love/hate relationship the first year or so as their piano "finds its own". These people can sense the day-to-day changes that occur in their instruments (which are bigger when the piano is new) and it can really bother them.

I look forward to hear some perspectives.


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#150567 - 07/27/05 06:05 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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I'm one of those people Rich. Actually last night around 11 I was taking my two trouble keys and checking damper height to see if that could be causing the dull tone.. very slight, mind you, but enough to set me off.

But does my piano live up to my expectations? Oh yes.. after a year, and playing more and more pianos it has actually exceeded them, has improved my playing immensely and brought me great joy.

Tuning has been very stable as well, but then I have pretty consistent temp/RH.


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#150568 - 07/27/05 07:33 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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I have only had my piano about a month. It seems lately the thing has grown so much in the bass and volume.

There wasn't quite a disparity when the hood was down now it seems the thing absolutely roars when it is opened up. Could this be my imagination?

As far as the tone goes -- well it's out of tune (mostly lower bass and high treble) and is ready for a tuning, but I can still get some wonderful and amazing sounds out of the mid range. The midrange of this instrument has always been nothing short of spectacular. And yes, it's getting better everyday!

The one shortcoming is the delicate lacquer finish. It seems as if I see a new scratch every time I look for one...I wish I had gotten satin (or had it offered in polyester). The smallest scratch or blemish just gives me nightmares!

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#150569 - 07/27/05 09:21 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Great thread! I hope it garners many responses.

In my case, the piano I have at home is a 1926 Chickering 5'8" Grand with an original Ampico Reproducing System, all completely restored.

It surpassed my expectations so significantly that it is the only pianoi I own (of some 200) that is not for sale!


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#150570 - 07/27/05 09:38 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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I have become less pleased with the high treble on my piano over the years. As of late, it doesn't hold its tuning as well. I attribute this to the heat and A/C problems in my church's Sanctuary over the last winter and until recently, this summer. I'm actually debating moving it home (as soon as we can get a room to put it in).


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#150571 - 07/27/05 09:39 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Mine was circa 1995. So, when I bought it two years ago, it was already nicely seasoned. I love it more now than when I bought it as I've grown acclimated to its sound in my living room.

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#150572 - 07/27/05 10:23 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Still in love after one year, but I wish it didn't play so many wrong notes wink

#150573 - 07/27/05 10:28 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Yes! I bought my piano 11 years ago -- a rebuilt Steinway O, and every single day I feel grateful and lucky to have this beautiful piano. I chose it for its beautiful sound and responsive action and am still happy with both. A few months ago I had the hammers filed (they were cut into from 11 years of playing and the tone had gotten much too bright), and that restored the original rich (but clear tone).

#150574 - 07/27/05 10:53 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Yes, and more. It's my first piano and I loved it from the get go. Still, after it was in my home a couple months, I found a few keys more to my liking than others and the action was less smooth across all keys.

Tunings every few months helped.

Then, after having the piano 18 months, my tech and I spoke about voicing. The piano had clearly 'settled in' and had brightened up a little, even after such a short time. Two months ago he spent about 4 or 5 hours on my piano working on voicing and regulation. The action was smoothed out over the entire keyboard and he subtly softened the brightness through voicing. All I can say is "WOW!!"

Hearing and feeling my piano mature has been one of the surprise benefits of owning it.

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#150575 - 07/27/05 11:05 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Exactly Rich thumb

Some days really enamored, other days can be luke warm..........not unlike marriage!!! laugh
And yes, hgiles, high gloss shows all the little scratches (my wife teaches piano and the little darlings can't keep their hands off it mad )

And yes, Mik, sometimes you get those 1 or 2 notes that can stick out slightly...in the summer here...my wife does not notice but I do........then couple of days later can't detect it. Drives you crazy. (of course it can't be my technique wink )

Don't get me wrong, my Steigerman keeps a very stable tuning and in my mind the tone is becoming warmer..settled....still satisfied with the action. The heat this summer has been a bugger though and can detect changes in tone from time to time.

Great responses, let's keep it going.....one never knows if one will get a second piano.

Question from an amateur:

So what keeps the love affair alive........is it tone or action, or can you seperate the two? I have played pianos with great actions but the tone has left me cold. Yes, I know you can voice, but eventually the real personality will surface. Funny........, pianos can be like people laugh

#150576 - 07/27/05 11:58 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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I have only had my new AF190 for just over two weeks. (BTW, I was thrilled with the dealer's handling of the sale but I'll save the specific kudos for another thread to avoid sending this one on a tangent.)

Even though my new baby is acclimating (and regulation, voicing and tuning change a bit everyday) I'm loving it. The action is like silk and seems to respond even before I tell it to. The bass tone has AF's reputed power and clarity, but the treble is clear and floating and not at all overpowered. The AF190 was a bit harder on my wallet than my original goal, but so far, I'm feeling like this was one of the best purchases I've ever made. It'll be interesting to revisit this question in a year, and in a decade.

Great post!!

#150577 - 07/27/05 12:05 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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I like mine more now than when I bought it a few months ago. I wasn't expecting it to be such a nice piano. smile


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#150578 - 07/27/05 03:26 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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MY PETROF GRAND 7"9" WAS DELIVERED JULY 5 AND I JUST HAD MY FIRST TUNING JULY 26TH. I AM MORE PLEASE THAN EVER WITH THE TONE AND ACTION. I WILL CONTINUE TO LET YOU KNOW THROUGH OUT THE FIRST YEAR WHAT MY EXPERIENCES ARE.

#150579 - 07/27/05 03:57 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Had my Mason double B for about a year and a half now. The deep bass has turned into a nuclear bomb. Its impressive. This thing is so full and powerful its fantastic. It's like driving a 747. The first 6 months it changed and got a wee bit brighter. Gotta love the fundamental tone of a Mason. I can't imagine a piano with more ego and power. I really love it.

#150580 - 07/27/05 06:05 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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After 2.5 years my Grotrian grand (the 225) has even exceeded the high expectations I had.

A really super instrument!


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#150581 - 07/27/05 06:11 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Yes, great thread! How can we motivate more members to tell the full truth, not just the nice parts?

I'll start. When I selected my Perzina early April, I didn't play piano yet. So, all I could do was listen to my friend play, and try some simple chords myself, other than making sure all keys produced a sound.

Today, almost four months and several tunes later, I notice sounds I didn't hear before. Some metallic buzzes on three of the 88 keys. A high pitch resonance after playing two other keys. I have gone through two tunings now and installed a Dampp-Chaser after the last. Like hgiles, I find swirl mark rings everywhere, even though I swear I never made circular wipes there. The keys are too big, I can only play a ninth, and that is stretching it. The pedals are a bit too high for me. It would be more comfortable to play them wearing my wife's heels, but she won't let me.

Other than that, it is still the sweet roaring music maker that enticed me when I first heard it played. The action has gotten better (it received some TLC by the tuning technicians). In my native language, I would call it 'like butter', so soft and smooth, yet with body and resistance where needed.

Since I installed the Dampp-Chaser (DIY within 15 minutes), it has been very stable, staying in tune. That first tuning only lasted a day or a few (and may have been a lousy job).

Did I mention the smell? Every morning when I come downstairs, it gives me a high me with its new-piano smell of woods, felts and laquer. When I come home after work, it lures me over to its cloud of sweet smell. People rave about the new-car smell. They have never owned a new piano!

Would I still recommend this Perzina? Yes, I would, and even more than at first. Every time someone with better skills than mine plays it, it sounds like a million dollars. I'm working on getting beyond that two-keys-at-a-time stage, into that twenty-five-finger stage (or so it sounds), to forget about its little buzzes and resonances. BTW, next I'll have a REAL technician take a look. One that I'll be paying, not the store, and he will take his time to work out the remaining kinks. After what embarrassingly little I paid for this gem, it can only be peanuts.

There, peanut butter.


PS: I was lying about the heels. Not only doesn't my wife have any, I don't even have a wife.


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#150582 - 07/27/05 06:12 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Foolishly bought a Schulze-Pollmann 197, sight-unseen. Paid something like 5% over cost. Had been studying piano for about three months at the time.

No regrets whatsoever. I know that makes me lucky, not smart. I've had little minor problems with the piano, but the sound is wonderful, and the instrument gets nothing but compliments, even when I play it.

#150583 - 07/27/05 07:24 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Mason and Hamlin BB, circa 2001, or 2002.

99% of me LOVES this piano.

It has one thing I don't like and can't get used to. . . The price.
I still have a roof that leaks and needs replacement.
The electrical on my house is still original 1928 tube-and-wire, a real fire hazard.
I blame the Mason and Hamlin Companies.
When I touched that first M+H A in Tustin, I was hooked.
It is not fair or right that the Bush administration allows them to make pianos that are so seductive, addictive and makes us lose our minds.

#150584 - 07/27/05 07:32 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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When I bought my piano I wasn't looking for love. All I needed was something to get me through the next five years until I retire an move back to the Phila. area.

I found an old Kawai upright that felt good, sounded good, and looked good. The price was right so I bought it. That was last September and I have had no regrets.

The tech who tuned it said it was fine. One key (C below middle C) sticks from time to time and G and A in the octave above middle C emit a strange ringing sometimes, but other than that I it's wonderful. Also it compliments my synthesizer very well.

When I retire I will be in the market for the house I love, the car I love, and the piano I love.


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I took in a stray and got the love of my life! 3hearts

And that was before we had it rebuilt! :p


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#150586 - 07/27/05 09:48 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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Totally surpassed - it's like a great husband...

...maybe even better!

#150587 - 07/27/05 11:41 PM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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My piano (a Pleyel 130 upright) is very French... both good and bad! wink

It's very, very capable of a full range of big, big sound. It has a bass that rivals any big grand that I could afford (OK, not quite a Bosie, but OTOH a Bosie will never be in my living room...). It makes me sound a lot better than I really am, and is honestly the best upright I've ever played.

At the same time, he's a little persnickety and can sometimes be a complete jerk. All that performance is high-maintenance, like every French man I've ever met. The piano is very sensitive to environmental changes--I've never had a Dampp Chaser but will be buying one this fall. I tune about 3x per year, and the piano needs it. OTOH, it has such a clear, uncluttered tone that it may also be that I can simply hear it going out of tune more easily.

I frankly am thrilled with 95% of my piano. The remaining 5% is more than manageable, and I think it gives my piano character. We definitely have a relationship! Je suis dans l'amour. Il me rend heureux! smile

#150588 - 07/28/05 01:22 AM Re: Has your piano lived up to your expectations  
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It'a been 1 week so I can hardly comment on much - it's still honeymoon phase here. Love the rich bass, warm tones and ringing trebles that first captured me about this piano, can't wait till it fully settles in and get the little niggles sorted out.

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I got my Bosendorfer 200 (6'7") in March, so its been 4 months. I think I'm still in the honeymoon stage because I can't find a thing to complain about. It grows on me more and more each day.

But I can say I never had an ounce of buyers remorse, which is pretty remarkable for me.


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I've been very happy with my new Kohler & Campbell 5'9" grand in high polished ebony.

Initially there were a few kinks (excessive action noise in the high treble, nasal sounding note, sostenuto not working for a few notes, squeaking pedal) I've since had a very good tech go over the piano in detail & it plays just beautifully. Very responsive with a wonderful warm rich tone, that I've grown to enjoy more & more. As I said in another thread, it also maintains tune very well despite still being in its "acclimating" period.

Of course it will never be a Shigeru Kawai (tried one yesterday-wow, but $$!) However there are also quite a few other pianos out there that are much less quality & price wise than my K & C . ...

Another detail that is very important to our family's way of living-- my K & C is paid for! laugh

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My piano (a Pleyel 130 upright) is very French... both good and bad! wink
How did you do the reversal of An American In Paris? Do they sell Pleyel in this country? I'd be tempted to look out for one, just for curiosity.


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I just got my Boston GP163 for a month. It has been a little squeak problem in the pedal. But after 2 visits from Steinway technician, the squeak is gone for good. Few days ago I heard some buzz in A flat an octave lower middle C, but it seemed to disappear on yesterday. Other than these, I love this piano so much.

I'm thinking of upgrading to a GP 215. I like to have my piano around 6' but my place is very small. Even with my 5'4'', it is quite loud. I only open a full lid when I play at noon when my neighbors are gone for work smile

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