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Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc #1494809
08/12/10 10:57 PM
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So with all the dislike (disapproval) of Lang Langs playing... I would like to ask this.


If he is so bad, what do you think of Liberace?

Virgil Fox? (yes I know he is organ)

Borge????

These 3 people take our standard classical music and make humor/and or a different spin onto popular/classical music.

Liberace took many huge works by Liszt etc, and doubled their difficulty, speed etc and made fun with it.

Fox did the same thing, adding a modern twist to Bach, to catch the young audience!

Have you ever heard of the heavy organ series? Fox went around and performed mega concerts with strobe lights, fog machines and much more, to attract the young audiences ears and eyes.


Borge took simple standards in classical music and made hilarious awesome jokes out of it, geared to a huge young (and old) audience.


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Brandon_W_T] #1494817
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One example of bad influence: a new student my piano teacher has asked her at the first lesson how to "make the proper gestures at the piano", as opposed to how to play the instrument properly.


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Brandon_W_T] #1494819
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Originally Posted by Brandon_W_T

Liberace took many huge works by Liszt etc, and doubled their difficulty, speed etc and made fun with it.


Liberace did no such thing. He took a couple of large Liszt works (maybe only one), and several by Chopin and simplified them. He played them at the, more or less, proper tempo and limited the number of themes in the pieces. He also mixed it with popular music.

Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Damon] #1494820
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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Brandon_W_T

Liberace took many huge works by Liszt etc, and doubled their difficulty, speed etc and made fun with it.


Liberace did no such thing. He took a couple of large Liszt works (maybe only one), and several by Chopin and simplified them. He played them at the, more or less, proper tempo and limited the number of themes in the pieces. He also mixed it with popular music.


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: MikeN] #1494827
08/12/10 11:21 PM
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What I ment to say is he took many major works- by artists like liszt etc,.... beethoven, Gershwin, Tchaikovsky etc.

I have seen many videos of him taking the standard rep., and expanding it with more notes, faster speeds etc.

Kinda like his 12th street rag, tico tico etc.


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Brandon_W_T] #1494953
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Liberace was an entertainer who creatively mixed classical and popular musical styles in his performances.

Borge was a serious musician and entertainer who incorporated classical music into his comedy routines.

Fox was a gifted and respected organist who in the last years of his life became more of an entertainer in an effort to reach a larger audience.

Lang Lang is a serious classical pianist who has the capacity to play extremely well - but whose over the top gestures get in the way of his credibility and effectiveness. I don't think he views himself as an entertainer.

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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Carey] #1494957
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I've listened to a serious take by Borge on Clair de Lune which is absolutely stunning.

But, basically, what carey said. The others were entertainers. Lang Lang is a classical pianist. I'd much rather listen to Borge's take on the 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody than Lang Lang's (if only because it's absolutely hilarious).


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Zindaras] #1494964
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There is no difference, because they are all entertainers. Lang, however, takes himself seriously, but until he proves me wrong he's still an entertainer. In fact, it grates me to have to lump him in the same paragraph with Victor Borge, whom I love.



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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: stores] #1494997
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Neither Borge nor Liberace were promoted as classical concert artists, with "regular" recitals and orchestral dates as the bulk of their work. So those comparison don't work.

Fox did have a career going as an organist, but I think it was not so much as a touring classical artist as it was as a church organist, for most of his life. The "heavy organ" period was relatively brief, and I think was very much part of a certain era in a way that LL isn't (or wait...maybe he is). It was sort of like Gulda performing in the nude. Or those attempts to fuse jazz and classical, or rock and classical. And, in fact, Fox was often criticized for his theatrics, and I don't think he was taken nearly as seriously as a classical artist as organists like E. Power Biggs or Marie Clair Alain were. When LL hauls a translucent electric piano that is filled with flashing lights into rock venues, rather than playing with major orchestras, we'll know for sure that he and Fox share the same wavelength.

By the way, you know who else is sort of crossover weird these days, and whose classical stuff sometimes seems to be approaching LL grotesqueness? The Labeque sisters. One of them in particular seems to have gone over to the dark side.



Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: stores] #1495503
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Originally Posted by stores
There is no difference, because they are all entertainers. Lang, however, takes himself seriously, but until he proves me wrong he's still an entertainer. In fact, it grates me to have to lump him in the same paragraph with Victor Borge, whom I love.


Actually, I think Lang Lang is a serious pianist who also happens to be a bit of an exhibitionist - not an entertainer!! smile

And I agree with you that Borge was absolutely terrific !!!!


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Re: Lang Lang VS Liberace, Fox, Borge, etc [Re: Carey] #1495505
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Borge was a serious and wonderful pianist, but he knew that he was being humorous when doing his routines, and he knew when it was time to play seriously.


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