Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Fall 2017
Who's Online Now
52 registered members (Bambers, bennevis, andy250, ando, AndyP, BachToTheFuture, 15 invisible), 1,203 guests, and 1 spider.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 12 of 28 1 2 10 11 12 13 14 27 28
#2058974 - 04/03/13 11:24 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: musicpassion]  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 187
miscrms Offline
Full Member
miscrms  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 187
Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted by musicpassion
Originally Posted by TecFlip
Nice looking piano. But are there popsicle sticks glued to it(kinda a stretch)?

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/msg/3711847606.html


Not that I could find...


Arts and Crafts wink

(ad 800)
PTG Journal
PTG Journal
#2058981 - 04/03/13 11:38 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 107
Infinity Offline
Full Member
Infinity  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 107
West Orange, NJ
Unbelievable. Almost as bad as the piano set on fire then shipped out to sea to a FL sandbar a few years back, on Yahoo news.


Infinity
Pianist and Teacher
West Orange, NJ
www.pianolessonsnj.com
#2060603 - 04/06/13 11:55 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,261
Pianolance Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Pianolance  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,261
Nashville, TN
Here is a funny Craigslist ad that doesn't have anything to do with pianos, but does illustrate the need for proper spelling. I got a laugh out of his "unfortunate spelling" when I saw it, maybe you will too. Here is the ad: Funny Ad Not to mention the fine photography.

Last edited by Pianolance; 04/07/13 02:01 PM.

Knabe 5'2" Louis XV Walnut circa 1927
Very part time piano broker.
#2061867 - 04/09/13 11:10 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Silverwood Pianos  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Vancouver B. C. Canada

Would this be a Mary Kay instrument?

pinky


Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2061914 - 04/09/13 12:07 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
My guess is that it is a vintage Pepto und Bismole. They were an award from Mary Kay.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2062474 - 04/10/13 04:23 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Silverwood Pianos]  
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,539
David Jenson Offline
2000 Post Club Member
David Jenson  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,539
Maine
Originally Posted by Silverwood Pianos

Would this be a Mary Kay instrument?

pinky
It's odd. My stomach feels relieved just looking at that nice Pepto' color.


David L. Jenson
Tuning - Repairs - Refurbishing
Jenson's Piano Service
-----
#2063722 - 04/12/13 08:33 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Roy Rodgers Offline
Full Member
Roy Rodgers  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Ranger, Texas


Tuning and repairing pianos since 1981 in Ranger, Tx. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Roys-Piano-Service/173273022711505
#2063730 - 04/12/13 08:43 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Drat - It's been removed!

Maybe the person who listed it reads Piano World.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2063904 - 04/13/13 07:36 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Roy Rodgers Offline
Full Member
Roy Rodgers  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Ranger, Texas
Sorry about that. Someone had place an organ by the curb and listed it as a piano with the title "Don't know anything about it."



Tuning and repairing pianos since 1981 in Ranger, Tx. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Roys-Piano-Service/173273022711505
#2064148 - 04/13/13 04:53 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Roy Rodgers Offline
Full Member
Roy Rodgers  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 356
Ranger, Texas
Well.... how about a Kimball console appraised at $7,000.00?

http://wichitafalls.craigslist.org/msd/3736424026.html


Tuning and repairing pianos since 1981 in Ranger, Tx. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Roys-Piano-Service/173273022711505
#2064154 - 04/13/13 05:12 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064276 - 04/13/13 11:19 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
Who else thinks this is hideous?

http://austin.craigslist.org/msg/3740862988.html

Is there a straight strung birdcage behind all that gross ornate overkill?

Is this possibly a fine piano worth $17.5 grand and I am a hopeless cynic?

If I am ever that far north of town I might go by and ask to play it just for grins.

Don


Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064303 - 04/14/13 12:21 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Supply Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Supply  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
While the asking price of that piano is surely wishful thinking, the rest of your post displays your sheltered life regarding experience and knowledge of pianos.

#2064386 - 04/14/13 08:13 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Supply]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
Originally Posted by Supply
While the asking price of that piano is surely wishful thinking, the rest of your post displays your sheltered life regarding experience and knowledge of pianos.


Sheez,,,,Lighten up!

Experience and knowledge is all relative. If I were a tuner or tech my questions and comments might be justifiably considered naive. But as a piano player and hobbyist? And I am curious what likely lies behind all the carving and etc.



Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064392 - 04/14/13 08:28 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Blues beater]  
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,403
malkin Offline
4000 Post Club Member
malkin  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,403
*sigh* Salt Lake City
Originally Posted by Blues beater
Who else thinks this is hideous?

http://austin.craigslist.org/msg/3740862988.html
Is there a straight strung birdcage behind all that gross ornate overkill?
Is this possibly a fine piano worth $17.5 grand and I am a hopeless cynic?
If I am ever that far north of town I might go by and ask to play it just for grins.
Don


I kind of like the carving, especially the little lions or gargoyles or whatever they are, but not for my house. Or even my castle, if I had one. And certainly if I had a 17.5K budget for a piano, I'd make a different choice.

If you're in the neighborhood why not go play it?!


Having power is not nearly as important as what you choose to do with it.
– Roald Dahl

#2064397 - 04/14/13 08:47 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: malkin]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
Originally Posted by malkin
Originally Posted by Blues beater
Who else thinks this is hideous?

http://austin.craigslist.org/msg/3740862988.html
Is there a straight strung birdcage behind all that gross ornate overkill?
Is this possibly a fine piano worth $17.5 grand and I am a hopeless cynic?
If I am ever that far north of town I might go by and ask to play it just for grins.
Don


I kind of like the carving, especially the little lions or gargoyles or whatever they are, but not for my house. Or even my castle, if I had one. And certainly if I had a 17.5K budget for a piano, I'd make a different choice.

If you're in the neighborhood why not go play it?!


About 25 miles from here. I would be totally wasting their time as I could think of far better ways to spend $17.5 k. Just curiosity. I wonder if they would let me look inside? To me, its less the carving than the candles and handles are overkill.



Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064416 - 04/14/13 09:30 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Blues beater]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Originally Posted by Blues beater
To me, its less the carving than the candles and handles are overkill.

"Carved brass" ???

That is a huge gaffe from an antiques dealer. It is even more suspect when two of the bobèche are upside down.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and fools are soon parted from their money.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064422 - 04/14/13 09:48 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Silverwood Pianos Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Silverwood Pianos  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,263
Vancouver B. C. Canada

Likely what lies behind the carvings is the popular style of the time. Some like ornate while others lean more towards the utilitarian styles.

Side handles and sconces where also popular during this period.

The candle holders usually were threaded so the wax tray can be removed, cleaned and replaced. A lot of this type of detail was massed produced by machinery rather than hand carved. Hydraulic stamping is common…….

Zeiter & Winkleman made quality instruments and this could be straight strung or possibly over-strung. I have come across both of this time period.

Because the business is called the Antique Gallery does not mean the owner is an antique specialist.


Dan Silverwood
www.silverwoodpianos.com
http://silverwoodpianos.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/SilverwoodPianosDotCom
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur."
#2064427 - 04/14/13 09:55 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 313
Lluís Offline
Full Member
Lluís  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 313
Barcelona,Spain, European Unio...
It is obvious that who's selling this piano has no idea what is selling... only read " Solid Ivory Keys " ,Equivalent of Steinway? Really?... Equivalent of Steinway in Europe in this years were Erard not this brand.


1942 Challen Baby Grand Piano

1855 Pleyel Pianino (Restoring -> www.pleyelrestoration.blogspot.com )
#2064439 - 04/14/13 10:22 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Consider the title of this thread. I got a huge laugh about the asking price for that Victorian, Rococo Fantasy.

We can certainly assume that the visage on the piano is of Jenny Lind as this instrument was her personal instrument. We all know that she insisted upon having solid ivory keys.

It's documented, look it up.

[Linked Image]


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064451 - 04/14/13 10:48 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
I sure don't have the ear of the tuner/techs on this forum, but I am tempted to go play it on a day off next week and report how it sounds/plays to the best of my ability.

Not sure if I can keep a straight face to persuade them I am a potential serious buyer, however.



Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064467 - 04/14/13 11:24 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Blues beater]  
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Supply Offline
3000 Post Club Member
Supply  Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,919
Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
Originally Posted by Blues beater
.. If I were a tuner or tech my questions and comments might be justifiably considered naive. ....
Well, this is the Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum, after all.

#2064486 - 04/14/13 11:48 AM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty

Hmmmm --- I wonder if the seller of this piano reads PW?

"Ewirlitzer" has been edited to "Wurlitzer."


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064576 - 04/14/13 03:42 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 774
Ragdoll Offline
500 Post Club Member
Ragdoll  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 774
Illinois
Free piano

I think this one's overpriced...unless it comes with the train and school bus. Will the movers charge for diggin' it out of the basement?ha
And how about that custom leg, should be worth, well, zilch.


Ragdoll

At first, she only flew when she thought no one was watching.

[Linked Image]
#2064597 - 04/14/13 04:28 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Roy Rodgers]  
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 736
Scott Hamlin Offline
500 Post Club Member
Scott Hamlin  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 736
Originally Posted by Roy Rodgers
Well.... how about a Kimball console appraised at $7,000.00?

http://wichitafalls.craigslist.org/msd/3736424026.html


Did I miss the part about the $6,900 in
cash stashed away inside....

#2064606 - 04/14/13 04:51 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Ragdoll]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Originally Posted by Ragdoll
Free piano

I think this one's overpriced...unless it comes with the train and school bus. Will the movers charge for diggin' it out of the basement?ha
And how about that custom leg, should be worth, well, zilch.

How did the kids get better, and need a better piano, if they couldn't get to that piano to practice on?


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064647 - 04/14/13 06:27 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Supply]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
Originally Posted by Supply
Originally Posted by Blues beater
.. If I were a tuner or tech my questions and comments might be justifiably considered naive. ....
Well, this is the Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum, after all.


From now on perhaps I should make sure to specify I am a naive guest, although, despite my non-professional status, I am happy to report many on this forum have made me feel welcome.

I hope I am not intruding. I read this sticky: "I started this separate forum for piano tuner-techs because they are an important part of the industry. I wanted it to be a place for you to communicate, and the public to sometimes post tech questions. Let's get back to those basics.."

Indeed, I am curious what lies behind all the ornate fluffery, so that is my technical question. I guess I will have to drive 25 miles or so to Round Rock if I care enough to find out.


Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064663 - 04/14/13 07:20 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Eric Gloo]  
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014
Minnesota Marty  Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Joined: May 2012
Posts: 7,439
Rochester MN
Don,

Read the title of this thread and look back at its history. You're posting is just in the wrong place and if you would have started a thread with your questions, it would have been addressed in a different manner.


Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.
#2064705 - 04/14/13 09:31 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Blues beater Offline
Full Member
Blues beater  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 283
Austin, Texas USA
Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Don,

Read the title of this thread and look back at its history. You're posting is just in the wrong place and if you would have started a thread with your questions, it would have been addressed in a different manner.


I posted in "Funny Craiglist Piano Listings" because I did think it was kind of funny that somebody would want $17.5k for that piano, describe it as having "solid ivory keys," and etc. This is in line with many of the posts in this thread where a piano is advertised for a very high price with extravagant claims made. My questions were half rhetorical and half curiosity. Not a big deal if they get answered or not -- maybe they are not worthy of an answer. Sure not worth starting a feud over. If I happen to get up to Round Rock I will report how this $17.5k (!!) instrument sounds.


Don, playing the blues in Austin, Texas on a 48" family heirloom Steinway upright, 100 year old 54" Weber upright, unknown make turn of the century 54" upright -- says "Whittier NY" on the plate, Starr, ca. 100 years old full size upright.
#2064717 - 04/14/13 10:27 PM Re: Funny craigslist piano listings [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,403
malkin Offline
4000 Post Club Member
malkin  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 4,403
*sigh* Salt Lake City
Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted by Ragdoll
Free piano

I think this one's overpriced...unless it comes with the train and school bus. Will the movers charge for diggin' it out of the basement?ha
And how about that custom leg, should be worth, well, zilch.

How did the kids get better, and need a better piano, if they couldn't get to that piano to practice on?


I think the kids were playing with the train and the school bus, rather than playing the piano.


Having power is not nearly as important as what you choose to do with it.
– Roald Dahl

Page 12 of 28 1 2 10 11 12 13 14 27 28

Moderated by  Piano World 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Ritmuller Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Kawai CA98...First Impressions
by Tommy S. 12/17/17 02:00 AM
New Age Piano Solo Music
by Vindhie Lin. 12/17/17 12:49 AM
Arturia V2 Piano
by Beakybird. 12/16/17 08:42 PM
Connect Roland FP-30 to iPad?
by newbert. 12/16/17 05:16 PM
Two-layer Steinway Damper Guide Bushings
by RestorerPhil. 12/16/17 04:34 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics183,313
Posts2,679,763
Members89,273
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0