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Based on this video, do I look tense? #1488145
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Hey! I recorded myself so I was wondering if you could tell by this video if I looked tense. Some of my friends have had piano related injuries, and I don't want to have one also! I tried using a vertical (more like diagonal, but you'll see what I mean) angle for this.

At piano camp, some said I did have tension, so I have tried to fix that, but I haven't had a lesson yet to talk about it (don't get one until my first lesson with my professor, but I want to play this for him).


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488147
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You disabled embedding on YouTube so can't see it.


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: eweiss] #1488176
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wow, you are much younger than in this picture of yours here smile

BTW, WHO is this guy in the picture here??? The real Orange Soda King?

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: deAlmeida] #1488178
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The guy in the picture was quoted in International Piano Magazine saying "I wish I had octaves like OSK".

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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: pianoloverus] #1488186
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Okay, I enabled embedding now.

That is Hamelin (my favorite pianist), although I'm going to change it to something else. And pianoloverus, it's quite the other way around, hehe.

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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488192
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
That is Hamelin (my favorite pianist), although I'm going to change it to something else.
Interestingly enough I have heard Hamelin maybe three times at Mannes and each time he showed tremendous tension(or clenching or?)in his jaw during the hardest passages. His playing looked effortless unless one looked at this part of his face. I haven't really seen this on his Youtube videos but maybe I haven't looked closely enough.

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488195
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I'd say your using using your not using true wrist. You putting a little forearm in there, with means you'll fatigue easier, and at speed tension builds up quickly so I'd suggest you really try to isolate the motion to the wrist and the wrist only making sure your forearms aren't moving.

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488200
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I can't see any tension from here, but then it's not the easiest thing to tell via video. I WOULD like to ask, however, if you're feeling any tension in your foot/ankle due to holding that pedal open for that long =p
The forearm area you showed is the norm for tension with octaves (that is that's where the tension most often occurs...not that tension is normal haha).



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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: stores] #1488216
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I would like to sugguest that you post this also in the Piano Teachers' forum because all of us here are individuals who, in comparison to teachers, deal very little with tension in our practicing and performing. Whereas teacher have to deal with tension every day in 20+ piano students, so they might be better able to identify it.


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: survivordan] #1488218
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I believe you will always have some tension when you play octaves with power. When you change direction or when you have a tiny break, use that to release the tension.

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: eweiss] #1488222
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Originally Posted by eweiss
You disabled embedding on YouTube so can't see it.


Too tired to manage a double-click, I take it? wink

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Ben Crosland] #1488244
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It might be easier to judge tension - more or less of it - if the video were taken from the side, so that one can see arm, wrist and hand movements.

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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: BruceD] #1488296
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I would like to say... nice playing! smile


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488359
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Looks OK to me.

BTW.....interesting presentation! smile

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Mark_C] #1488374
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Haha, thanks guys! Would it be okay for me to post this in the teacher's area (I didn't even think of that)? I don't know if I want it moved, because some of you here have said good things.

And in general, what do you all think of this idea of video to help me clarify and to demonstrate?

And with wrist motion, I will keep trying that, especially since chromatic octaves are a little trickier to have a wrist motion than white key octaves or same-note octaves.

Thanks for your feedback, guys! laugh

Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1488490
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Hey, no worries! Can you relax before and after big chords?


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The only thing I notice is that your elbows seem to have a rather fixed position in relation to the torso, except at the climax at 3:15. Likes stores said, it's hard to tell, even with video, but I wonder if by trying to keep your wrists loose, you've simply moved some tension back into the elbow instead.

I'll be interested to see what your teacher thinks.


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: Kreisler] #1488530
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I think elbows are fine, you feel the muscle tone pull them in that direction if you're really relaxed.


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Re: Based on this video, do I look tense? [Re: keyboardklutz] #1488559
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IMHO (cause you play so well), I'd say in the Presto of this you use your body really well. It's in the Andantino that odd fingers stick up - I'd want rid of that.


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You actually do look a bit tense to me. But very tiny bit. Are you aware of your upper arms, where your triceps are? If they are stationary all the time, there's a good chance you're tensing up. I mean don't go rotating them like you're about to fly off, but even just being aware of this can make such a difference. I tried that yesterday and I discovered that I've never played louder in my life. And obviously you always need the bridge of the hand, and the fingertips to be like steel when you're playing, so that they can handle all that weight transferred from your body. Also, do you ever feel anything from your back?

I like that your wrist is free and flexible, you need that.

The video thing is a great idea, I think everybody should do that when they have a playing question.. makes things so much clearer.

Or I could be all wrong because of the angle of the video..



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Originally Posted by keyboardklutz
IMHO (cause you play so well), I'd say in the Presto of this you use your body really well. It's in the Andantino that odd fingers stick up - I'd want rid of that.


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I second the motion to see your playing from the side. The arms don't seem tense, but seeing the fingers would really tell all.

Also, do you feel tense, or do you have any burning sensation or fatigue when doing your octaves? If not, then you have nothing to worry about.

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I tried playing that etude once and I didn't feel any tension or tired at all... but then I noticed my arms had fallen off.

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How did you type? And thanks for the tips! I will make a side view video.


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