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Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X #1483072
07/28/10 09:54 AM
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I'm trying to understand if there are significant differences between a 1988 US63H and a 1990 US6X. I had heard that the X-series were specifically designed to be more bright in the high end to attract folks who preferred the Yamaha U1.
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X [Re: mizar5] #1483878
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mizr5,

"I had heard that the X-series were specifically designed to be more bright in the high end to attract folks who preferred the Yamaha U1."

That sounds like your typical marketplace imagery. It has little bearing on how the pianos sound and play "now" or on the value "now", which is always tied to condition and price, somewhat subjugated by the players' personnel definition of what blows up their skirt.

The US63-H can be a good gray market 52" piano, depending on condition,price, etc.

The US6X was, more or less, the parent of K-6. I haven't seen a gray market 6X.

If these were both on craigslist, I'd look at the US6X first.

Hopefully, you'll get additional feedback.

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Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X [Re: Mike Carr] #1483983
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Thanks. They're priced along the same equivocal lines as your post, slightly favoring the 6X. $4000 (USD) for the US63H and $4250 for the US6X (+ tax, and including bench, delivery, tuning x 2, 10 yr warranty and full trade-up). Is this way out of line for grays through Doremi, assuming very good condition ("A" grade)?
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Mizar5,

From this distance, I can't give you any assurrance on price or quality. Or preference. No one can without playing the candidates. "A" grade, for what it's worth, probably contains the usual contradictions . . .

Doremi, often as not, refurbishes its specimens. When I asked one sales adept exactly what was refurbished he said,"Anything that needs it," and quickly asked me if I had good credit . . .

I favor grays that are original, and, more or less, while possibly not the piano they were twenty years ago, in line with the makers original intent . . . often, refurbishers are more content with the mere cosmetic over the richer more purposeful aspects of the original designer . . .

The prices sound reasonable enough if the pianos sound reasonable enough. While I haven't seen any gray USX6's, most of the 52" twenty year old grays can't be touched as far as sound and playability by the brand new consumer grade uprights, of whatever origin . . . especially if you only consider the price . . . if practicality is your only justification . . .

Many opinions on whether this deal is better than that deal. Or favoring one model number over the next or various hammers, scales, strung backs, cabinet and frame design . . . playing a game of mental pigeon-holing without considering the abstractions involved . . . still, I don't see why you can't do a little horsetrading on both prices . . .

It's always best to form your own opinion. Play the piano. Nail a deal. Lay the money down or move on . . . there's always another piano around the corner . . . as for opinions about pianos, the Jeanie I dream of is always the Jeanie I dream of in of my dreams. Likely as not a different Jeanie than the Jeanie you dream of in your dreams . . . unless Jeanie got around a lot more than she claimed . . .


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Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X [Re: Mike Carr] #1484598
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Ditto: as for Mike's assessment That was easy!

The US63H is a newer gray market mdl.(late 80s to early 90s) that from the external perspective is near identical to the US6X.
They both have the newer Kawai polyester "hard finish".
The US6X was an exclusive nongray maket mdl. though the US5X and US7X were gray market as for not being sold via Kawai dealers in the USA.

The US6X had the neotex keytops similar to Yamaha's ivorite.(simulated ivory)
The US6X had agraffes in the bass.
The US6X and the US8X to me were voiced on the darker side compared to the US63H though persons voice their pianos subjectively over the years.

As Mike said..Check them both out if possible. You will definitely prefer one over the other. Of course, it's present condition is a prerequisite of consideration.

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Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X .... or not [Re: pianobroker] #1486305
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Well, a Boston UP-118S popped up for $2500 and I bit. I've been banging my head against getting a piano for 2 months and had too many missed opportunities turn out to be good deals in retrospect. The original owner bought it in 2001, and it was only played for a couple of years by a child. Was ready to call a tech to look it over, but others buyers were sniffing around, so after about an hour of playing and looking it over with the aid of Larry Fine's checklist from the piano book, I went ahead and nabbed it. Sounds great in our music room, and only issue I picked up on was a squeaky bass sustain pedal. Have read most of the threads on this piano and know that it's much more Kawai than Steinway, and while the action is from Hamamatsu, the assembly was done in North Carolina (Kawai hadn't shut it down in favor of Indonesia when it was built) rather than Japan. This is for a home rather than a music school, so don't expect it to get treated in a way that will lead to problems detailed elsewhere in the forum.
Next step is to have a tech come out and tell me what a horrible mistake I've made. Ha!


Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X .... or not [Re: mizar5] #1486330
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mizar5,

You didn't make any horrible mistake, quit worrying about it. If it sounds great in your music room all the rest is theory.


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Re: Kawai US63H vs. Kawai US6X .... or not [Re: Mike Carr] #1486370
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Originally Posted by Mike Carr
mizar5,

You didn't make any horrible mistake, quit worrying about it. If it sounds great in your music room all the rest is theory.


Mike


mizar5,

I totally agree with Mike Carr. You made no horrible mistake. Although the Boston you bought was not built for conservatory use, you won't be using it in a conservatory wink.

If it sounds good - enjoy it!


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