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#1478068 - 07/20/10 07:08 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Sam S]  
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Originally Posted by Sam Smith

Should have shown your Dad this video:



Sam



But definitely not this guy:




Although he was classically trained and could play the keys off the piano...

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#1478087 - 07/20/10 07:59 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: MaryBee]  
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If I could get this guy to promote my piano course, I would.



Very persuasive. smile


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#1478120 - 07/20/10 09:08 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: bobjr]  
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Originally Posted by bobjr
so.. anyone here like gladiator movies?

laugh LOL my husband says that all the time.


I'll figure it out eventually.
Until then you may want to keep a safe distance.
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#1478225 - 07/21/10 12:11 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Peyton]  
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Originally Posted by Peyton
This is going a lot better than the Pletnev thread. And it's a lot funnier.


Hey Peyton, with that avatar, you could give the old spice guy a run for his money and end each of your thoughtful posts with, "I'm on a horse."

Or just add it to your signature:

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I'm on a horse.


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#1478238 - 07/21/10 12:24 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: bobjr]  
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Originally Posted by bobjr
so.. anyone here like gladiator movies?


bobjr, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?


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#1478255 - 07/21/10 12:55 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Plowboy]  
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Gary , ever seen a grown man naked? LOL

#1478323 - 07/21/10 06:27 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: AlphaTerminus]  
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Originally Posted by AlphaTerminus
When I was ages 7-10, in about 1980, I desperately wanted to learn to play piano. I grew up in a dysfunctional family with an alcoholic step-dad who always told me "No" because it would turn me gay. I always thought this ridiculous and that it was because piano lessons would compete with his Budweiser budget.

However, at age 38, after taking piano lessons for 1 year, happily married for 16 years, I find myself attracted to the Old Spice Man. He's on a horse, he's on a boat. He's on a motorcycle in a hot tub, and he turns things into diamonds.

Could it be my step-dad was right. Am I indeed turning gay as a result of merely 1 year of piano lessons?


Disclaimer: I've had a bad cold for 3 days and I think I've taken too much Nyquil. And in case anyone lacks the sarcasm gene the step-dad telling me piano would turn me gay is true but the rest is a joke because I'm bored and for some reason I find everything terribly amusing today


My friends used to make fun of me when they would see me carrying my sheets home from piano lessons, and yes, they'd call me "gay." It was one of the reasons I quit. Stupid!

I guess things happen for a reason. That's why I'm here on ABF 30 years later, and not hanging out too much in the Pianist Corner. grin


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#1478325 - 07/21/10 06:41 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: CebuKid]  
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Not having watched TV for the last 20 years I have been wondering what all the fuss was about. Last I saw the "Old Spice Guy" was a 50 year old bearded sailer coot. But that new guy IS pretty cool. I'm still not gay however....


I'm on a horse.


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#1478326 - 07/21/10 06:42 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Sam S]  
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Originally Posted by Sam Smith
Originally Posted by AlphaTerminus
Yeah it's not meant to be a homophobic thread. I have a chip on my shoulder about not being allowed to take piano lessons as a child because of the false reasoning that it would "turn me gay" and I suppose I deal with it like all things in life by finding the absurdity in it and laughing.


Should have shown your Dad this video:



JLL was married six times - once to his 13 year old cousin.

Sam


Some thinks she's really a man or somethin':



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#1478423 - 07/21/10 10:38 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Peyton]  
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Originally Posted by Peyton

I'm on a horse.


laugh


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#1478524 - 07/21/10 01:40 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Plowboy]  
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This thread is so refreshingly and wonderfully politically incorrect. With the picture of the Old Spice guy on this thread I surprised that Reverend Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton haven't called a joint press conference to denounce this egregious example of the promotion of bigoted thinking upon the American public. Just kind of kidding.


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#1478543 - 07/21/10 02:17 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: jasperkeys]  
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Hello, ladies.

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#1478559 - 07/21/10 02:47 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: BenPiano]  
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I think a man who can play a mean piano is very sexy. I wonder if the old spice guy plays piano?

#1478685 - 07/21/10 06:58 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: tnew]  
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I took accordion lessons as a kid. The other kids did not call me gay, they just didn't call me.


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#1478727 - 07/21/10 08:07 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Larry Larson]  
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I don't know about the gay stuff, but I remember a couple of buddies waiting and watching me through the window while I practiced as a kid. They wanted me to come play with them, and I was required to practice an hour before I could go outside, so they watched me through the window rather than come inside where they would be more distracting. EDIT: geez, is that an awkward run-on sentence or what? As a teenager I dropped piano and took up guitar because, you know - "chicks dig guitar players, man." I'm afraid the results were less than I'd hoped for. grin

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#1478729 - 07/21/10 08:18 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: TX-Dennis]  
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Hello ladies....


I'm on a horse.


Ben, I love it! I'll just keep doing it until someone tells me to shut up.




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#1478927 - 07/22/10 05:01 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: Peyton]  
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Well, living in Italy, I've never seen these ads! They are hilarious.

(I hadn't seen Liberace in years either, but I remember his show...(now that's dating myself, isn't it?).....


I think one of the funniest things about this thread is how many times people have tossed in the "politically incorrect" disclaimer!

I find it funny and all in good spirit.
....and YMCA is still an all-time favourite no matter where you go, if there is dancing, it will be played, no?

Play away guys, it won't hurt your image!


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Pianist and composer Cole Porter was a known and renowned homosexual - singer Ella Fitzgerald was not - he was generally considered to be the greatest composer of popular music ever - she was generally considered the best female singer of popular songs ever - Cole's song "Begin the Beguine" was generally considered the best popular song ever written. I am in no position to dispute any of the above.

Here they are all together:



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#1478937 - 07/22/10 06:40 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: TrapperJohn]  
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Gay or straight........whatever............play nice piano...... and be the person/pianist 3hearts you want to be....

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#1479052 - 07/22/10 10:14 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: bobjr]  
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I love those commercials but, man! That Old Spice guy makes me feel inadequate.

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Those Old Spice ads are great. They would never show them here in the UK though because we are totally wrapped up in political correctness. The last Old Spice ad I remember seeing was years ago and featured a muscle bound hunk on a surf board crashing through some massive waves. The catchphrase became quite famous but was eventually mocked: "Old Spice - the mark of a man".


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I'd rather listen to Ella than watch Old Spice (or any other) commercials. Thanks, John Frank.


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#1479197 - 07/22/10 01:00 PM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: TX-Dennis]  
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Freud had a term for a lot of the issues raised here.

Pianist envy.

#1479621 - 07/23/10 03:00 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: arley]  
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Most men are disgusting pigs. They spit, smell, burp and fart all the time. How could anyone be attracted to them is beyond me. Plus all they can cook is cereal and toast.

Men suck!. This is why I love WOMEN!


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Haa... Men can play piano, which is COOL!! They don't suck! laugh

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Bach married his second cousin Maria Barbara Bach in 1707. They had seven children,
Maria died in 1720, and Bach married Anna Magdalena Wilcke in 1721. They had a further 13 children
Seems not so homosexeual

#1479657 - 07/23/10 05:03 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: mr_super-hunky]  
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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
Most men are disgusting pigs. They spit, smell, burp and fart all the time. How could anyone be attracted to them is beyond me. Plus all they can cook is cereal and toast.

Men suck!.


This would appear to be somewhat unjustifiably harsh on the face of it, and could easily be assumed (if we didn't know otherwise) to be a quote from the ugliest, shrillest and most mean-spirited of man-hating feminists - not to mention calling into serious question the tastes and preferences of the vast majority of women who seem to have a rather strong attraction for and affinity to those of the "male persuasion"... smile

Besides - it's common knowledge that the best chefs in the world are a small but elite group comprised mostly of men (straight and gay), and I personally can whip up a succulent, mouth-watering pot of my world-famous Australian red wine chili (you gotta taste it to believe just how good it is...) and some great beef tips over noodles! laugh

What truely sucks is the rampant male-bashing so prevalent in and tolerated by the current culture - as one example notice all the commercials over the past decade or so that portray men as clueless, incompetent dolts - and you ladies (if you're frank and honest about it) know much better...

Jumping down from my soapbox...

JF

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#1479664 - 07/23/10 05:33 AM Re: Learning piano turned me gay? [Re: TrapperJohn]  
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Haha.

Oh yeah, let's not forget some wonderful products designed to enhance the already attractive male. From head to toe:

. Spray on hair. Sort of like mulch in a can for your head.
. Dandruf control shampoo, for dry flakey scalps. Nice!
. Rogaine hair growth. Liquid hair fertilizer, again in a can.
. Hair plugs, nothin' beats runnin' your fingers through nice uniform rows of doll hair.
. "Bro", bra for men with man-boobs.
. Untucked shirts, lessons the preggo look.
. Old spice "show time" body spray for horny dudes with B.O.
. Laser hair removal, for your entire back!
. Cigar smoke. (pipes smell good though).
. Chewing tobacco, ever see a guy walking around with a "spit cup"?
. Height/weight proportionate?
. Male *enhancement* pills??? (not touching that one!)
. Fascination with pro wrestling (steroidal men in Speedo's all oiled up in a ring squeezing and jumping on each other.)
. Nudie bars (at least they help support single moms!)
. Athletes foot spray

I could go on but I want to go hug my wife! She's soft and smells nice.

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Originally Posted by mr_super-hunky
Haha.

Oh yeah, let's not forget some wonderful products designed to enhance the already attractive male. From head to toe:

. Spray on hair. Sort of like mulch in a can for your head.
. Dandruf control shampoo, for dry flakey scalps. Nice!
. Rogaine hair growth. Liquid hair fertilizer, again in a can.
. Hair plugs, nothin' beats runnin' your fingers through nice uniform rows of doll hair.
. "Bro", bra for men with man-boobs.
. Untucked shirts, lessons the preggo look.
. Old spice "show time" body spray for horny dudes with B.O.
. Laser hair removal, for your entire back!
. Cigar smoke. (pipes smell good though).
. Chewing tobacco, ever see a guy walking around with a "spit cup"?
. Height/weight proportionate?
. Male *enhancement* pills??? (not touching that one!)
. Fascination with pro wrestling (steroidal men in Speedo's all oiled up in a ring s


oh puhleeze..... do you want a list of products for the already attractive woman? Don't get us started!
lol....

I think a great number of men do spit and burp and fart..... but let's be fair, women do too.....(though they myay not derive the absolute glee men can while engaging in these activiites!)
But for the cookig, ... I have to disagree. I am a darn good cook myself, but so is my hubby, my brother, all my male cousins and a great number of my male friends.
I won't cite famous male chefs as I don't persnally know them - they could be fakes.


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Okay okay, I'll back off the bad cook stigma (only because guys like to eat....a lot! but remember the height/weight proportion thing).

Everything else is staying!

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