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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: stores] #1477407
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Well, I've been playing since I was 11, and now I'm 16, and so I've been playing for 5 years.

Repertoire-wise...(I'm listing the ones that may qualify me for an audition; I can play more than the ones I list here)

Bach: Well Tempered Clavier Prelude No. 1 in C major, planning to master the fugue for this part

Beethoven: "Pathetique" sonata in C-minor 2nd movement, "Moonlight" sonata 1st movement

Brahms: Planning to master Rhapsodie Op. 79 No. 2 in G-flat minor

Chopin: Scherzo No. 2 in B-flat Minor, planning to master "Revolutionary" Etude (op. 10 no. 12).

Liszt: Der Erlkonig piano solo, planning to master "La Campanella".

I have been, and will be, playing everything on my Casio PX-120, as I have no other alternatives.

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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: bitWrangler] #1477412
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That's the sucky part of my piano playing. I never had daily access to an acoustic piano.

I live in a basement, and so it's not the best place for a piano. It really frustrates me sometimes when I never get the chance to play something I really want on a real piano. But the Casio PX-120 is all I have, and I must cope with it.

When I first got the Casio, I was really excited, because I formally had a (now inferior) 61-key unweighted Yamaha keyboard. I also knew that the Casio's keys were almost the same as the keys on a real piano. I chose it because it had "weighted scaled hammer action keys" and 128 note max polyphony. Plus, it was the cheapest option.


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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477413
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I would realistically suggest that you not count on getting into Juilliard with the repertoire and (limited) performance experience you have had. You have to realize that candidates for Juilliard have not only been playing for much longer than you, they also have a vast repertoire that they have regularly performed, they have also performed in competitions (and many have won) and their playing is already of a professional caliber.

That's not saying that you shouldn't try, but with the quality of performance required by Juilliard for admission and the limited number of candidates accepted among all those very strong candidates who apply, you should be more realistic and at least have other options planned.

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I also forgot to mention how I received lessons from a Peabody graduate for the first 2 years of me playing the piano. Afterwards, the lessons subsided, and so I was on my own, with my parents guiding my playing (they give me tips on how to play something).

I mastered all I could *without* lessons.


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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477417
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At the very least you'll need an entire sonata, not just a movement (again, check the website, I think you'll find that you really need to ramp up). Also, careful about playing the "popular" stuff (e.g. Moonlight, La Campanella), they likely hear them often so you'll have to nail them (then again, given the entrance requirements, they probably hear most everything that matches their criteria pretty frequently). They may even exclude certain sonata's and other pieces so be sure to check so you don't get an unpleasant surprise.

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Does "La Campanella" work as a virtuoso etude? Or can I play "Der Erlkonig" piano solo as part of the virtuoso etude?

YouTube link for "Der Erlkonig": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDX2fe8hU6w

Oh, and also, I will master the rest of the Pathetique sonata. smile

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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477436
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Dear dlee1001,

as to most people that wish to join conservatories, I would suggest them to successfully prepare and perform a complete one hour recital first. This is to get yourself an idea of the learning curve expected in conservatories. And be aware you will have to do this in a much shorter time frame in institutions.


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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: CWPiano] #1477449
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Consider some of Liszt's transcriptions - many are extremely good at showing your technique, and some are relatively so obscure that playing them might bring a breath of fresh air to your entrance exam. I think the others are correct - if you're going to be playing La Campanella or some of the other works, you had better be able to play them without breaking a sweat or making any mistakes.

I would encourage you to try for any school you desire, but like some others have said - be aware that some schools are very picky on who they accept for piano - there are pianists everywhere, so the potential student to J, for example, must be very, very exceptional. You almost have to hold the idea that you are the best pianist of your generation to attempt that school. But one never knows - J has been known to be very lax in their acceptance and willing to consider other aspects of your musical makeup, in the hopes that the others will come in time.

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If not Juilliard, then Peabody. smile


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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477507
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I am only a beginnerish player (currently learning the C minor prelude from the WTC to give you an idea) but I have to say that practicing at home on a digital (a casio, internal sounds and pianoteq) and then playing on a U3 at lessons, there is a world of difference and it's amazing just how forgiving the digital is and how much easier it is to control dynamics-wise than a real piano.

I have to say that as much as my casio is fairly comparable in terms of mechanical action to an acoustic, the way the sound responds to touch is not even close, neither with pianoteq nor with the internal sounds; I really wish there was a digital that was as unforgiving as a real piano since due to neighbors/volume I have to stay in the digital realm...

Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477624
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Originally Posted by dlee1001
Well, I've been playing since I was 11, and now I'm 16, and so I've been playing for 5 years.

Repertoire-wise...(I'm listing the ones that may qualify me for an audition; I can play more than the ones I list here)

Bach: Well Tempered Clavier Prelude No. 1 in C major, planning to master the fugue for this part

Beethoven: "Pathetique" sonata in C-minor 2nd movement, "Moonlight" sonata 1st movement

Brahms: Planning to master Rhapsodie Op. 79 No. 2 in G-flat minor

Chopin: Scherzo No. 2 in B-flat Minor, planning to master "Revolutionary" Etude (op. 10 no. 12).

Liszt: Der Erlkonig piano solo, planning to master "La Campanella".

I have been, and will be, playing everything on my Casio PX-120, as I have no other alternatives.


Interesting. Now, may I ask, how soon do you plan on auditioning for Juilliard/Peabody/wherever?

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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: dlee1001] #1477656
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Originally Posted by dlee1001
I also forgot to mention how I received lessons from a Peabody graduate for the first 2 years of me playing the piano. Afterwards, the lessons subsided, and so I was on my own, with my parents guiding my playing (they give me tips on how to play something).

I mastered all I could *without* lessons.


There is something missing here.
You want to go to a music school where you will study music with teachers, yet you are not serious enough now to even have a teacher?

My suggestion would be to get one quickly!

Might I also suggest finding places where you live where you can practice on acoustic pianos regularly? School, a church etc.?

I admire your enthusiasm and you have received some good advice here. Start thinking realistically about where you stand now and where you might be able to attend school later. There is a lot of competition our there for ANY music school.

Good luck!


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Re: Detailed comparison of acoustic piano and digital piano [Re: stores] #1477822
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According to the Juilliard website for admissions (http://www.juilliard.edu/admissions/apply.html), everything is due on December 1. Since I'm in the Class of 2011 and since it is likely this is the due date each year, I will need to turn everything in by December 1, 2011.

Pre-screening is the recording part where I record what I play. The repertoire I listed on the previous post in response to you is what they require on the recording.

Since I meet (or will be meeting) the minimum requirements for audition, it is safe to assume that I will be scheduled for an audition after I turn in the pre-screening and everything else in by December 2011. smile


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I have weekly access to a Kohler & Campbell baby grand piano at my church, although I don't always have the opportunity to play on it.

Due to this, I signed up for piano classes (both semesters) at my high school to increase my access to a regular piano. The school has a concert grand piano in their music room, along with an upright piano. The school is under renovation, so I am not sure whether they'll keep those pianos. Other than those two acoustic pianos, the school has digital pianos (most of them are semi-weighted keys, but one is piano-weighted).


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That's actually not very far off. Considering that Juilliard's acceptance rate is something like 5%, it's probably not too early to start thinking about the aspects _not_ related to performance that can make the difference. Specifically things like recommendations, performances and competitions. You're going to be going up against a ton of folks who play really really well and often the things that set you apart will not be related to your performance skills, it's the old "it's not who you are, it's who you know" adage. Basically it's time to start networking. Go back to your Peabody teacher and have them help you build up your network (not necessarily explicitly).

BTW, are your parents pianists? You say that gave you tips on correct playing.

Oh, and don't forget about sight reading, they likely will require some as well.

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Originally Posted by dlee1001
According to the Juilliard website for admissions (http://www.juilliard.edu/admissions/apply.html), everything is due on December 1. Since I'm in the Class of 2011 and since it is likely this is the due date each year, I will need to turn everything in by December 1, 2011.

Pre-screening is the recording part where I record what I play. The repertoire I listed on the previous post in response to you is what they require on the recording.

Since I meet (or will be meeting) the minimum requirements for audition, it is safe to assume that I will be scheduled for an audition after I turn in the pre-screening and everything else in by December 2011. smile


I would really suggest you try to consider alternatives to Juilliard. There are many community colleges in USA that provide good well rounded education and may be willing to accept enthusiastic although less prepared candidates. As I understand Juilliard undergraduate course is catered towards high level young performers who have acquired substantial performing credentials.

And not to burst your bubble, I think you should really consider expanding your repertoire before you actually consider enrolling full time. Preparing recitals while juggling academic requirements can be very daunting. At least with some ready repertoire you could breath easier. And have you considered the fact that you may not get to play what you want when you study in Julliard?


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Originally Posted by bitWrangler
BTW, are your parents pianists? You say that gave you tips on correct playing.


My dad was in a choir when he was younger, and my mom owned a piano academy.

We will not discuss anything else about my family (no assumptions, please), but since I live with my dad at this time, he is the one who actually gives me the tips.


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I want to have a career where I could play the piano for many people, or at least teach piano at a musical conservatory/college. Juilliard and/or Peabody is recognized worldwide.

I recognize the fact that I may not be able to play what I want when I am studying at Juilliard. However, they would be likely to guide me into pursuing a career in piano playing or teaching piano, would they not?


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So would a lot of other schools and conservatories. You should look into them.


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I admire your enthusiasm and optimism - never lose them. I believe it's good to always 'aim high'. Keep practicing, but get a good teacher now. He/she should be able to advise you about Julliard and your realistic abilities.


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Originally Posted by dlee1001
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Since I meet (or will be meeting) the minimum requirements for audition, it is safe to assume that I will be scheduled for an audition after I turn in the pre-screening and everything else in by December 2011. smile


Just meeting the minimum requirements for the audition recording would almost guarantee that you would not be called back for an audition. You have to perform well above minimum acceptance level to be called for a live audition.

Remember - as others have endeavored to point out - that you will be up against "high-octane" performers (not just piano students, but young performers who have been playing for years with solo and competition experience and credentials to their credit). Their submitted recordings may well outshine yours, and, given the very limited acceptance rate of admissions to Juilliard compared to the number of applicants, you really need to look at the picture more realistically and not assume acceptance as a given just because you think you might meet the minimum requirements.

There is no disrespect for your enthusiasm intended, indeed, I think we all admire your enthusiasm, but it sounds very much to me that you don't know what you're going to be up against as far as Juilliard standards are concerned nor just how overpowering your competition may be.

I would say : "Go for it," but only on the advice of someone who knows what you will be up against and who knows that you have a chance. Otherwise, putting all your eggs in the Juilliard/Peabody basket can lead to disappointment.

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