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#1476714 - 07/18/10 08:48 PM Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old?  
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Hello,

I am new and this is my first post. I am a professional pianist looking for a medium-sized grand piano on a limited budget. I am wondering if a Yamaha C3 (6'1") built in 1972 is too old to buy. I have found one that is going for $6900. My technician says it is in very good condition, with only hammers needing to be re-shaped; crown is 3/32" to 1/8", tuning pins are fine. When I played some keys whose hammers he had re-shaped, I found that the sound went from way-too-bright to somewhat dull. He thought we should visit the piano again and see if it is possible to get just the right sound. He said that if I put a damp-chaser on it, that it could double the life of the piano.

Even if we got a sound that I loved after working with the hammers, I am afraid that the piano would begin to deteriorate after a few years since it is already 38 years old. Though I know that $6900 doesn't seem like much for a grand piano, I have never spent this much money on a piano before, and am nervous.

Thank you for any feedback.

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#1476726 - 07/18/10 09:11 PM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: Meadowlark]  
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I would post this on the Tech Forum.

Last edited by Stevester; 07/18/10 09:11 PM.

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#1476759 - 07/18/10 10:12 PM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: Meadowlark]  
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I recently purchased a 1977 Yamaha G2 Grand, 5'-7" in "excellent condition" for $6350 plus $900 to move it here.

After playing it for a month and talking with my technician, I decided to have it re-strung and regulated. The work will start this Friday for $6500.

At 33 years old the bass strings especially are losing their quality and to just replace them it is hard to tune the entire piano properly as the other strings are getting old as well.

I bought this piano as an interim instrument to play for a couple years but decided to bring it up to top quality now so I would have an inspiring instrument to play. It was playing pretty great already but now I will have a wonderful instrument. This may be the Keeper.

#1476834 - 07/19/10 02:13 AM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: YammyG2]  
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Well YammyG2 pretty much confirmed exactly what the future has in store for you,the piano being 38 Yrs old. That saved me alot of effort as for my repeatedly redundant assessment.

Now this is an excerpt of a post from another thread which I posted a while back.

"Prior to the onslot of the Chinese piano importation into the states, the hot ticket for that savy consumer in that moderate $ pricepoint were the preowned Japanese Yamaha and Kawai grands and uprts. Of course, mostly of gray market status. They were at one time much cheaper $ wise than the preowned pianos of nongray market status. The A grade grands were the sought after pianos a decade or so ago. Actually I've recently heard that the availability of preowned grands in Japan has diminished greatly as in the well is drying up as for preowned grands compared to a decade ago. Now the preowned uprts are a different story.

Now with the BETTER quality Chinese pianos coming on the scene, I've changed my "business mdl." 180 degrees as for finding a close to Japanese equal, in a NEW Chinese piano with a full manufacture warranty at the same pricepoint as a 25-30 yr. old crusty preowned Japanese artist level grand.

It is interesting that persons in the industry are privy to this change but it literally takes years for the public /consumer to catch on. Even here on PW with all the members being informed moreso than most in the real world, I continue to see this stereotype thread inquiry repeatedly ." Is $8000 a good price for this 1977 Yamaha G2?" There is a difference in BRAND NEW vrs.30 years old."

This copy and paste function is awesome. grin


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#1477011 - 07/19/10 11:04 AM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: pianobroker]  
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Thank you, Stevester, YammyG2 and pianobroker, for your replies.

I'll try the tech forum.

The Yamaha C3 from 1972 is not a gray market piano; I did check the serial number with Yamaha. But it would seem from both of your replies that this piano, although it could sound good now, will need work in a relatively short period of time.

Pianobroker, if you are referring to the Hailuns, I had tried some in my price range, and did not like their tone. I had tried a Wendl & Lung 178 two years ago, which I liked and became attached to right away, but for which I did not have the money at the time, and now the dealer no longer gets them. Do you know of any Wendl & Lungs in the Northeast? The only dealer I can find is in Chicago.





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#1477092 - 07/19/10 01:12 PM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: Meadowlark]  
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There are other used Yamaha grands in your price range out there. Check 3bay or Craigslist and don't be afraid of gray market if they've been well maintained or rebuilt.


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#1477121 - 07/19/10 01:53 PM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: Meadowlark]  
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Originally Posted by Meadowlark
Thank you, Stevester, YammyG2 and pianobroker, for your replie

Pianobroker, if you are referring to the Hailuns, I had tried some in my price range, and did not like their tone. I had tried a Wendl & Lung 178 two years ago, which I liked and became attached to right away, but for which I did not have the money at the time, and now the dealer no longer gets them. Do you know of any Wendl & Lungs in the Northeast? The only dealer I can find is in Chicago.

The obvious reason you felt or heard a difference between the Hailun and the Wendl and Lung is the hammers. The difference being the Wendl & Lung had the Renner Premium Blues prehung in the factory. I can guarantee you that a high end prep tech /voicer can transform the stock Hailun hammers to be very comparable to those Renner Premium Blues,no problem. Though the Hailuns are nearing that high level out of the crate Japanese prep level,they have to be voiced by a PRO. Especially with the newer quality hammerfelt cold pressed etc. they have every bit the potential if not more than a Renner Premium blue. Believe me,I know in that we prevoice Renner Premium Blues all day long for rebuilt Steinways and Masons. So.... I would give the Hailun another shot. Try Cunninghams in that a high end restoration facility will have the capability for sure to properly prep and VOICE a stock Hailun.


Last edited by pianobroker; 07/19/10 01:57 PM.

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#1477312 - 07/19/10 06:50 PM Re: Is a Yamaha C3 from 1972 too old? [Re: pianobroker]  
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Thank you, Pianobroker,

I live closer to NYC, so will try some there. Thank you for your reply.

Tech Forum replies also were leaning toward the realities of an old instrument being quite costly in the end.



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