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Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: curtisrollo] #1468405
07/04/10 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by curtisrollo
What is the etiquette on negotiating lesson price? Is it frowned upon, or is there an implicit wiggle room if I pay more upfront, or with some other arrangement?
Others may have a different view, but as far as I'm concerned, my fees are my fees. There is no negotiation. If I am offering a discount for paying upfront, I'll say so. You could ask if the teacher offers such a discount, but it's not up to you to negotiate fees.


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Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: currawong] #1468413
07/04/10 11:23 PM
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I cannot negotiate my fixed cost overhead, which means that if I negotiate fees, I'm directly cutting my income. Of course, as I am writing this from the deck of my 200' yacht, you probably think I'm being a bit parsimonious.

More importantly is what it tells me about you. To me, it says you view lessons mostly as a commodity, not an investment in your future well-being, happiness and enjoyment. And I can probably expect your lesson preparation to match your ideas about fees.

But that's just me. Like currawong, my fees are my fees. If you don't feel what I have to offer you or your child is worth that, then there are cheaper, as well as less expensive, alternatives available for you. TANSTAAFL.



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Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: John v.d.Brook] #1468423
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Originally Posted by John v.d.Brook
More importantly is what it tells me about you. To me, it says you view lessons mostly as a commodity, not an investment in your future well-being, happiness and enjoyment. And I can probably expect your lesson preparation to match your ideas about fees.
And that's not a message you particularly want to send to your new teacher, whether you meant to or not.

I didn't actually see it quite like that - I was thinking how frustrating I find it when buying things and I find that I'm expected to bargain (just look at any of the piano buying threads on the Piano Forum!). I just find this wheeling and dealing stuff SOOO tiresome (I'm not good at it, for a start!) so I thought that maybe the OP thinks this may be expected. (So, not an attitude thing as much as a "please tell me what's the norm - I don't know" thing.) My answer would be, as I said, to cut it off before it starts. My fees are what they are.

But yes, same answer. smile


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Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: currawong] #1468428
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I often do the interviewing over the phone. Over time, as a student I have cultivated a set of ideas and values and when I look for a teacher I like to find somebody who respects such ideas and agrees with them. I often ask questions about their teaching, I ask them what they value, what skills they see as most important, what they think about the exam board syllabus, what type of repertoire they teach... the first lesson is to see how they teach and I can also observe how what they think applies when they teach.

Funny, talking to my teacher now, we reflected on that first meeting and see that weeding process as very important.

Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #1468703
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You might want to broach the subject of what happens when you disagree about interpretation. Would the teacher be offended? Or would a lively discussion ensue?

I would prefer the latter.


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Re: What to do during a Trial Lesson/ Consultation? [Re: GretchensPianos] #1469005
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For first consultation sessions, it would be very helpful if my students can provide me:
1. Goal: Everyone wants different outcome from piano lesson. If you are clear about your goal, then your teacher will provide you a path to reach your goal easily. If you are not so sure what you want from piano lesson, then piano teacher can only present what he/she thinks is the best but necessary what you want.
2. Current Level: It will be the best to bring your current book so that your new teacher know where you at. Knowing your current level, your new teacher can provide you a direction where to go next. If you do not have a current book, then you have to prepare to play something for your new teacher so that he/she will "estimate" your current level and suggest what kind of material to use next for you.
3. Personality: I remember one of a mom told me about all her children: oldest one good in cognitive, middle one good in motor skill and youngest good in responding to music (while listening). From these information, I can adjust my teaching style to them.
Other than these, feel free to ask any questions that you have about you new teacher. Make sure you also discuss policy.


English is my 4th languages, please excuse my grammar. Thanks
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