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Kawai KG-2E #1458635
06/18/10 01:38 AM
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Hi,

What's your opinion on a 22 years Kawai KG-2E? I found the sound is not as good as a GE-1 for some reason. It seems to be an older RX-2?

What would be a fair price?

Thanks,
April

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Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458640
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My opinion is the total opposite to your assessment. The KG2E is a quality parlor grand (5'10") piano. It is a late predessesor to the RX2.They are usually factory voiced on the bright side and a bit heavier in it's touchweight (newer action design) compared to the former KG2 models.(C and D) That one (KG2E) must be in need of some serious help in that the GM1 and the GE1 are the low end quality Kawai baby grands in that era (late eighties to the early nineties). I admit the GE1A was a bit better but not much.

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Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: pianobroker] #1458646
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Pianobroker,

This piano has not been used/tuned for 5 years, will this impact the quality of it?

What would be a fair/good price?

Thanks,
April

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458647
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Also, will tuning make it sounds better? I actually prefer brighter sound.

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458653
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Well..as long as they didn't leave it on their back porch,it will be fine. A pitchraise and a couple tunings will do wonders to those wirey unisons. Just play Honky Tonk till you get it tuned. grin

The way I look at it, If they didn't tune it,they didn't play it. If they didn't play it most likely it fits the low milage category.
Of course,one might side with caution and have a tech assess it's overall condition.

What sounds more appealing ? The teachers piano which was used to teach everyday 8 hrs. a day for the past 20 years being tuned regularly OR that same piano which the kids abandoned after 2 years of piano lessons and the piano not being played for 18 years except for an occasional Christmas carol around the holidays. I would say that is a motivated seller which means "Will you take X$ for this dust collector of yours ? grin


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Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: pianobroker] #1458800
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Thanks pianobroker!

How much should I start to offer for this piano? It says the appraisal price is 8k, but if I calculate it by depression table it should be 27000 (RX2 SMP) * 60% (retail factor) * 39% = 6K.

Is 6K an OK price?

Thanks,
April

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458849
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The "60%" "retail factor" is a tad high and brings a new RX2 BLAK down to $16,500!

If you go by that, $6k would be a STEAL. You can start there but someone else will probably but it for more. It sounds like this is a private sale? If so, anything goes.

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: gnuboi] #1458874
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I think I got 60% from pianobook. smile

This is a kg-2e, not rx2, so should be cheaper, right?

Yes it's a private sale. The piano is not used for while, pretty dusty and need some work.

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458917
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Yes, I'd imagine RX-2 BLAK > RX-2 > KG-2E > KG-2.

At this point only a tech inspection can really tell this piano is worth your money and time. Any other pianos of the same or larger size nearby?

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: gnuboi] #1458946
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This formula in assessing "fair market value" to me is not accurate. You value the piano based on what the market will bear. A seller can assess or appraise a piano for whatever price but if it doesn't sell,it doesn't sell.

There are variables which will definitely affect the realistic selling price.

Condition of the case- dings, dents, scratches,sun fading etc.
How crusty or clean is the top end? tuning pins,strings,soundboard,harp etc.
Condition of the action in general especially the hammers in that the piano could have excessive wear or voicing.

The piano is old but not that old but it is old enough to show excessive wear whereas it may need some level of refurbishment which compounds on to the purchase price.

With the market being somewhat recessed especially in the private party market...I would say 5-6K and that is only if in pristine condition aside from any minor detailing.
You can't go more $ than that because the top grade comparable
size BRAND NEW Chinese pianos with a full warranty are not much more $ if any.
There is a difference in BRAND NEW and 22 years old Good luck!


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Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: pianobroker] #1458949
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Thanks.

I called Kawai but they can't find the serial number. Does that mean it's a gray market piano?

Thanks,
April

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1458959
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Most if not all the KG2E are NOT gray market. There really is no issue with Kawai whether it is or not. You base your assessment on the present condition of the piano.

I'm curious.What do you mean they can't find the serial #.
Are you refering to Kawaius as in not being able to tell if it was sold via the Kawai dealer network in the USA ?.


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Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: pianobroker] #1458963
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Yes I called Kawai US, and give them the serial number, they can't find it in their database. What does that mean?

Re: Kawai KG-2E [Re: mayaprils] #1465483
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I have a 30 y/o KG 1 and Kawai US couldn't find the serial number. I fortunately found the original paperwork.


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