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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Nick Mauel] #1461711
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1500 dollars for a 1954 spinet?


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Stevester] #1461723
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"I am buying the piano for my children to learn on. This is going to be our first piano. And, I want to get this done in a day or two, rather than waiting."

Danad, I always feel happy to know that a dad is doing something to help his kids learn about music. So, my congratulations on that part.

I do understand about a parent's time and budget limits. You're being realistic about that.

A kid needs an instrument that they don't have to fight with to get a sound out, or to get the keys to go down right. Anyone who is buying a used piano will benefit from having a qualified piano tech inspect it for condition. It costs in the neighborhood of $100, and can save you a great deal more money than that. Try http://ptg.org to find one in your area.

They can also tell you if the asking price is reasonable (many sellers think their old piano is worth a fortune--- wrong, usually), and sometimes they know of good used instruments for sale. Anyway, you'll be needing one to keep it in tune and in repair.


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Jeff Clef] #1461736
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I think it's pretty normal to see spinets for sale on Craigslist for $600-800. If the asking price of $1500 for a 1954 spinet is correct, that is way too much IMHO.

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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Rich D.] #1461747
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The prices of both are very similar and in the $400 - $500 range, nowhere near $1500.

Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Danad] #1461771
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I would suggest looking for a Baldwin Hamilton upright. I have often seen them in your price range. Within the past few years I have bought 3 of them - a 1951 for $400, a 1956 for $349, and a 1950 for free, and currently have two of those. (I also play the 1951 on some Sundays but I no longer own/posess it. I really love that piano.) I've seen several others in that price range as well. I personally like the ones from about 1949 to about 1986 or so.
Chances are a Hamilton won't be as pretty as the pianos you're looking at, but unless they've been absolutely horribly mistreated, I'm sure they'll be MUCH better than either of the pianos you're looking at. They did make some decorative models starting in the late 1960s, too. I think one member (can't remember) got a 1969 or so decorative model for $700 that was in excellent condition. I personally like the plain (school piano) models, as the music desk takes the entire width of the piano.

So I would STRONGLY suggest getting a Baldwin Hamilton if you can. If you don't have room for one (ceilings too low, for example wink ) and you HAVE to get a spinet, I would recommend a Baldwin Acrosonic. Most of those that I have played are preferred, by me, over most grand under 5 feet. I've also heard good things about Yamaha spinets, but can't really say much on those. The one or two I remember seeing was probably in poor shape, and was blown out of the water by some Acrosonics I have played.
As for other brands... I've heard Everett studio uprights can be good. Another brand to look at MAY(??) possibly be Wurlitzer, but I don't know about their quality. Question for those more knowledgeable than me.... Are Wurlitzer pianos generally fairly good, or are a couple of my friends very lucky? One of them has a Wurlitzer spinet, and the other has a Wurlitzer studio upright, both built, I believe, in 1955. The only comparable-sized pianos I can remember playing that I thought were better (than those Wurlitzers) were Baldwins.



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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: 88Key_PianoPlayer] #1461786
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Wurlizter is "OK". Not as good as Hamilton or Yamaha. Some Wurlizters develop expensive problems at 10 years, while some have 0 problems after 30.

Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: gnuboi] #1461847
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I just tuned a Knabe similar to that one. It is a console, with the action on the keys, rather than behind them. It has the pedal lyre, which is a big pain if there is any work that needs to be done on the bottom of the piano.

The important difference between a spinet and a console is the action. Spinet actions are difficult to work on if anything goes wrong with them, or even if you just want them to work better.

The other piano could be a console as well. The problem with consoles is that because the actions are smaller, the forces on them are greater, and they wear out faster.

This time of year, you can find studio pianos, in the 45" range, pretty cheap. They are much better.


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: BDB] #1461868
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You've gotten such good counsel - the board did a good job. Given your situation, a console would be preferable. I would second the opinion above for the Baldwin Hamilton - kind of the Ford 150 of pianos...which you can probably find for the price you're asking - but if time is of the essence...

Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: kluurs] #1461943
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By this point, you probably don't want anymore opinions, but I feel compelled to put my 2 cents worth in.

From a tuner / technician's viewpoint, I would have to say that the older Knabe's that I've worked on over the years have for the most part been very well made pianos.

It's obvious that a lot of people love Baldwin Hamiltons, but for myself, I've never been a big fan. I usually don't like either the tone or the touch on the typical Hamilton that I have worked on. Possibly because I see so many Hamiltons in school practice rooms where they have not received the best of treatment.

If I were to chose a smaller Baldwin, my preference would actually be for an Acrosonic, which I usually like quite a bit, even though it is a spinet.

These are just personal observations, and opinions vary. Obviously.

I would second the opinions of others who have encouraged you to look around. It's a buyers market for pianos in many locations, and you might find a nice studio upright for a price you can afford. Chuck Behm


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Chuck Behm, CPT-E] #1461966
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Yes, the Baldwin Acrosonic is a spinet but with the "lungs" of a much larger piano, in my opinion. Notice I liken the action to a living thing.


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: tranquillo] #1462061
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A Baldwin Acrosonic in good shape would beat both the Cable and Knabe. In addition to the pedal issues, the Knabe has a compressed action, not full size. I may be wrong, but I think on some, the keys dive under the action as well, which makes for a funny action feel. A worn, compressed action might not feel too great. If the Cable is Cable or Everett made, it will be better than Aeolian made. Nothing wrong with getting a spinet for a first piano - but if someone takes to the piano and gets into the intermediate levels, you will need to trade up. A good piano technician will tell you when that time comes.




Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Bob] #1462251
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I'd go with the Baldwin advice, but I don't want to start the piano search all over again. I think the two options I have so far will fulfill our needs, at least for the time being.

Yes, the Cable Nelson we are looking into is Everett.

Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Danad] #1462265
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Thanks everyone, for sharing opinions and for all the good advice. It's been great and now I know much more about pianos than I did 24 hours ago!

At the end, I think we are going to get the Cable Nelson. We did not have a technician look at either of them, so we still don't know (and won't know) whether the Knabe is indeed a console. But the Cable Nelson owner is a more serious player and has had his piano more regularly serviced, and yes, we like the way it sounds. We'll see how it goes and in the future we can look into upgrading, at which point I might go about doing things differently, based on what I learned here smile

Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: Danad] #1463107
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In regards to the Knabe. It is Aeolian, but that does not, necessarily mean it is bad. It was made at the Aeolian factory in East Rochester, New York, along with Chickering, Mason & Hamlin, and George Steck. I see a lot of these in my tuning travels...probably because I'm in central New York State. The Aeolian pianos out of East Rochester were decent pianos. Aeolian gets a bad reputation mainly because of the awful pianos manufactured in its Memphis, Tenn. factory.

In regards to the Cable-Nelson/Everett, these were decent, too. I find their spinets to be better than many other American-made spinets of the 1960's.

In my area, most pianos change drastically when the seasons change...so please consider climate control for your piano.


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Re: Comparing two spinets [Re: BDB] #1463150
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Originally Posted by BDB

A Yugo in good condition may be better than a Fiat in lousy condition, but you would not want either of them for everyday driving.


Actually, a Yugo is a Fiat Model 128 built under license.


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