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#1459280 - 06/19/10 09:39 AM Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ?  
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I am looking for a book along the lines of

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Jazz-Improvisation-For-Keyboard-Players-Complete-Edition/1505513

Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Complete by Alfred Publishing

BUT, I need one with a CD with the lessons played.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated and thanks in advance.


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#1459324 - 06/19/10 12:07 PM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: pcmancini]  
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What you need is a teacher who is an accomplished jazz player. If you're at all serious
about getting halfway decent at this music learning from a book (without a teacher) is a waste of your time.



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#1459444 - 06/19/10 05:33 PM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: AJF]  
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Assuming you can already play piano in another genre there's:

-The Jazz Piano book - by Mark Levine. Probably the most popular, but it doesn't have a CD

-Beginning Jazz Keyboard - by Noah Baerman. Assumes Level 2 Alfred piano skills. Comes with a CD. Also there's the Intermediate and Mastering Jazz Keyboard books.

-Berklee Jazz Piano - by Ray Santisi. Good for someone who can already play piano in another genre. Comes with a CD.

I'm learning piano as a 2nd instrument, but I chose the Berklee Jazz Piano book anyway after reading a thread here a few months ago, and asking my teacher which book would be good to get out of these three.

The Levine book is a huge book. The Baerman books looked a bit simplistic to me. I think they would be good for adult beginners, people learning piano as a 2nd instrument, or high schoolers. The Santisi book is concise at 100 pages, which I prefer, but probably has as much in it as Levine's.


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#1459679 - 06/20/10 07:43 AM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: Ken.]  
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Thanks Ken, what I am is a Hammond player who has also dabbled in piano most of my life. But if I stray from the minor pentatonic I quickly find myself in the weeds.

I recently bought a Rhodes that I am restoring and am looking for some jazz help / background. I will look at the Berklee book (it gets good reviews on Amazon.) I do appreciate the help.


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#1459715 - 06/20/10 09:17 AM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: AJF]  
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Originally Posted by AJF
What you need is a teacher who is an accomplished jazz player. If you're at all serious
about getting halfway decent at this music learning from a book (without a teacher) is a waste of your time.

I agree with AJF. Maybe these books are a good reference as for regimented concepts that one tried to bottle as for ....jazz but one really needs a one on one reflection from a good organized jazz player/teacher. Attacking individual tunes as in application with the critique of your teacher is where it's that. The real complex concepts of jazz piano you can't document in a book not to say I know them. grin

EX. I've seen so many guitar players whom went thru this Berklee book series and the only thing they're qualified for is playing in some stage band.


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#1460573 - 06/21/10 08:48 PM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: pianobroker]  
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Have you looked at Tim Richards' books? He has a series of two books called Exploring Jazz Piano, which are meant for people who've completed his blues piano book. I've started working through his _Improvising Blues Piano_ , and it is the best musical instruction book I've ever run across, by far. He gives chunks of theory, then sheet music for a good-sounding tune which uses the theory just presented, and then exercises and improvisation suggestions which also build from what you just learned. It's far superior to anything I've found by Alfred's or Berklee.

Forgot to add: The book comes with a CD, which is quite listenable.

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#1462370 - 06/24/10 12:33 PM Re: Jazz Improvisation for Keyboard Players - Alfred ? [Re: tangleweeds]  
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Your post says you're looking for a book - but I believe what you're really looking for is to learn how to improvise, or at least to improve your improvisitation and, for some reason or another, you have concluded that a book with a CD is the most cost-effective way to accomplish your objecive. Am I correct? If so, let's revisit some of your assumptions -

A book will provide a cookie-cutter approach to improvisitation: These scales go with these chords - memorize all of them - these are the chord tones - memorize them, use them. These are the modes, memorize them too. Remember all of these rules and now go forth and improvise..... Well... All of this is true, well and good but the trouble is, its not the way it really works - not even close.

Start by listening to musicians, whom you like, improvise. Start with simple songs. Transcribe what they're doing, when they're doing it. Then listen more, and more. Start by embelishing on the melody of the song itself. And then listen more. The best players are the best listeners.

Check out youtube Hal Gelper's master jazz classes. I think these will get you pointed in the right direction - good luck


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