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#1671260 - 05/04/11 09:28 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: TADutchman]  
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After a few days with the CA93 I've decided it's not for me. If anyone in the immediate LA/ Orange County area is interested in buying at an excellent price, please PM me.


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#1671383 - 05/04/11 12:11 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Cashley]  
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Kawai digital pianos don't have a lot of brand recognition and can be much more difficult to sell than to buy, and they are generally not that easy to buy in the first place...Good luck finding a buyer!

I am very interested to know what kind of in-store auditioning really went into your purchase decision...
Why wasn't it apparent that the CA93 wasn't for you already in the store? What was the straw that broke the camel's back after only a few hours in your home?

This forum seems to be full of people who are kicking themselves in the touche for selling their GrandTouch...

Really makes me want to save up for an AvantGrand or at least a U3 Silent.

#1671464 - 05/04/11 01:59 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: theJourney]  
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Even though the last post was somewhat provocative, I would second it. I am seriously considering getting a Kawai CA-63, but since Kawai has only one retailer in my whole country (and that retailer only sells the older models 91 etc) and the closest retailer I know of is over a thousand kilometers away on the other side of a sea I am trying to find out as much about the piano as I can and then buy it with a 30 day money back guarantee if I am convinced enough in the end. If there was something specific that made you change your mind about the piano in such a short time I would like to know.

#1671515 - 05/04/11 03:03 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Cashley]  
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Yeah, it was provocative (my friend theJourney)... He's often replying to others that just have complained about Kawai instruments.

I would buy whatever DP is the best fit for the money for me. I won't sell it after a short period, and after 5 years or so it's anyway worth almost nothing... so why bother? But I would recommend to test it if by any means possible. It's an important decision to take, and not every DP is for everyone, we all have different needs and preferences, so don't rely on others (only if you know their preferences and fully trust them). On the other side, if you can really get a 30 day money back guarantee it's a no-brainer...


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#1671656 - 05/04/11 06:50 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Cashley]  
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Dave, it's most unfortunate to hear that you've been unable to get on with your CA93.

However, given short time period (less that a week) and what I believe is a strong relationship with the dealer, would it not be possible to simply return the piano for a refund (minus restocking/repacking fee)?

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#1671983 - 05/05/11 11:12 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Cashley]  
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Congrats Dave! I'd love to buy a CA93 for a good practice instrument...if only money grew off trees! I've heard nothing but great things about the RM3 Wooden action, and to hear it's heavier than the Steinway D is surprising.


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#1672007 - 05/05/11 11:55 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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Kawai James, do you know where I might try the CA 93 in or around central Connecticut USA?


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#1672173 - 05/05/11 05:25 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Cashley]  
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#1672489 - 05/06/11 10:11 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Coker]  
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Originally Posted by Coker
Kawai James, do you know where I might try the CA 93 in or around central Connecticut USA?


I don't know about Connecticut but there is a dealer in West Chester, PA -- Taylor. Although I'm sure there are many more closer to you.

#1672599 - 05/06/11 02:18 PM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

However, given short time period (less that a week) and what I believe is a strong relationship with the dealer, would it not be possible to simply return the piano for a refund (minus restocking/repacking fee)?


That's what happened. Rather then risk trying to sell an expensive DP on CL with , as Journey mentioned, a lack of brand recognition in this economy, I opted for "store credit" minus a $200 pickup/restocking fee. This dealer can get, aside from Kawai, Roland and Korg but no Yamaha.

Originally Posted by theJourney

I am very interested to know what kind of in-store auditioning really went into your purchase decision...
Why wasn't it apparent that the CA93 wasn't for you already in the store? What was the straw that broke the camel's back after only a few hours in your home?

This forum seems to be full of people who are kicking themselves in the touche for selling their GrandTouch...

Really makes me want to save up for an AvantGrand or at least a U3 Silent.


Like I said in the other post
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

In any case, I think any of these models would sound much better in our living room then the store. They all were on low nap industrial carpeting and up against a brick wall.
The 93 was in a small office with a short 3' stucco wall at the base and the rest of the wall to the ceiling was glass; so less then ideal acoustics for sound.

We have a raised foundation and hardwood floors with a fairly high ceiling and old plaster walls. I used to have my Yamaha S6 in there and it sounded like the voice of God !
The GT-2 sounded very good in there too, even with its somewhat funky, outdated speakers.


You know how you really want something to work out (like the Nord Piano ? laugh ) ? I was trying to be optimistic and hope for the best when I got it home. Unfortunately the overall sound & playing experience was just lack luster and uninspiring for me after about 5 hours of playing over two days.
I am kicking myself for selling/trading in the Gran Touch; especially after he refurbished it.
This dealer might try and get a hold of the CA111 for me to check out, but they don't seem to be around in the US and the price is up in air too.

As much as I want "a piano" of some sort in the house I don't know if I could be happy with anything less in the "home dp" category then the Avant Grand. I guess for the time being it'll be a plant there. frown


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#1672856 - 05/07/11 12:08 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
This dealer might try and get a hold of the CA111 for me to check out

I.m.h.o. this doesn't make any sense at all, as the CA111 is of a previous generation with a lower specification (except for the upright cabinet) compared to the CA93 and besides the soundboard even to the CA63. If you want to go in that direction then you'd better check out availability of the CS9, which is the direct successor to the CA111. whistle

Here's a link to the 2011 Kawai catalogue:
http://www.kawai.de/service/catalogue_2011_eg.pdf


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#1672867 - 05/07/11 12:32 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
[quote=Kawai James]

That's what happened. Rather then risk trying to sell an expensive DP on CL with , as Journey mentioned, a lack of brand recognition in this economy, I opted for "store credit" minus a $200 pickup/restocking fee.


How can a retailer survive with such poor policy? The big guys all offer 30 or 45 day returns for refund for any reason.

But I'm still wondering what you didn't like about the CA93. Was it the key action or the sound.

#1672868 - 05/07/11 12:32 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: TADutchman]  
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Originally Posted by TADutchman
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
This dealer might try and get a hold of the CA111 for me to check out

I.m.h.o. this doesn't make any sense at all, as the CA111 is of a previous generation with a lower specification (except for the upright cabinet) compared to the CA93 and besides the soundboard even to the CA63. If you want to go in that direction then you'd better check out availability of the CS9, which is the direct successor to the CA111. whistle

Here's a link to the 2011 Kawai catalogue:
http://www.kawai.de/service/catalogue_2011_eg.pdf


Exactly. If you couldn't stand playing the CA93 for more than 5 hours, then the CA111 won't even make it out of the chute and the CS9 is going to have the same RM3 keybed and the same tone generation as the CA93/MP10 and therefore also be a non-starter.

If Yamaha is not available for the store credit, then a Kawai K3 ATX is probably the best way to apply it -- and this will mean opening up the pocketbook. Gorgeous cabinet, award winning scale design, genuine, delicious Millennium III action, pleasant & warm Kawai acoustic piano sound and still the ability to play it as a digital piano when you want to play with headphones, for example, with one of the most advanced silent system implementations.

#1672878 - 05/07/11 01:31 AM Re: Your opinion on Kawai CA 93 [Re: theJourney]  
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He just mentioned the CA111, I know nothing about it. I'll ask him about the K3 ATX. Although I'm not a fan of the Yamaha silent pianos I've heard when they're in their electronic mode.

Basically I think he was trying to think of a way aside from the Kronos or FP4-F to get something that would make me (and wife) happy for the home. But like I mentioned, with the exception of the Avant Grand, I don't really think I want to mess with any DP in the house. I'd rather get a used C3 or something similar down the road or just not have anything there. It's bad enough playing a DP on gigs, when I'm home I don't want to be reminded of them.

This will be my last post regarding the Kawai issue. I feel both the the CA93 & 63 are fine home instruments and a perfect fit for many people. I checked the 93 out, it wasn't my thing, I moved on without losing too much dough...end of story.

Back to what's important--practicing the piano and working on the music. smile cool


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