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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: dewster] #1445928
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I ordered a GXF and they sent me the "wrong one", the "old version" by "accident". I really like the way it sounds, very good through my monitors but was hoping for the expansion board. I also hope I purchased the 'new run' of GX's with the "ivory feel" that doesn't have the key wear everyone's talking about. The dealer "corrected" the mistake and will be sending me the expansion board. Has anyone heard any details about the board besides the corporate BS on the brochures and the dealer sites? How much ROM does it have? Does it have any processing on board or is it just some more samples. When the say "derived from the V-Piano", is that mean it's distantly related or have some real guts of the V piano? Bottom line, the piano feels, sounds, and looks great. This is my first Roland keyboard after using Yamaha for years. It's fun to have a new experience with the menus and the browsing through the menus. Yamaha has always been as about intuitive as the DX7 when it comes to editable functions or operating systems. It's just a nice change. I like both products but didn't think that the new Cp's were revolutionary enough to warrent being stuck with a keyboard for 10 years.

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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: Mafew J] #1445949
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Originally Posted by Mafew J
Has anyone heard any details about the board besides the corporate BS on the brochures and the dealer sites? How much ROM does it have? Does it have any processing on board or is it just some more samples. When the say "derived from the V-Piano", is that mean it's distantly related or have some real guts of the V piano?

Here's an english translation of a web site where they discuss the RD SN expansion board and even show a couple of photos of it:

http://www.e-muzyk.net.pl/content/view/2369/34/


Over at Roland clan someone looked at the chips for me and reported back that there is 32 MB of flash on the SN card and pretty much nothing else (no processor):

Roland Clan


And I think the V-Piano tie-in means they are probably synthesizing the decay portion of the notes (100% conjecture on my part).

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: dewster] #1446769
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Thanks, helpful!

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: snazzyplayer] #1447431
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
I'm rather fed up on the CP-series, as well as the Roland SuperNatural pianos, so it's going to be the Avant Grand N3 after I get my living space sorted out.

Every other piano sounds like poo compared to the Avant Grand N3.

I've got my arranger keyboard, the PSR-S910, and the P-85 makes a great controller for when I need 88 keys, so all that's left is a dedicated piano, and it's gonna be the N3.

Snazzy


Well, that's quite a turnaround from the guy who first sold his N3 in frustration and then together with his alter ego was suggesting that people should order CP series keyboards sight unseen and without auditioning them just on the basis of authorities who recommended them. Which is almost as interesting as the fact that Dave Ferris went back and deleted all his previous posts in the same Yamaha Stage Piano thread.

I guess what they say is very true: not just Caveat Emptor but Cavet Lector. At least half of whatever you read here from some posters is bullshit and the rest often isn't worth very much either.

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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: theJourney] #1447476
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Originally Posted by theJourney


Well, that's quite a turnaround from the guy who first sold his N3 in frustration and then together with his alter ego was suggesting that people should order CP series keyboards sight unseen and without auditioning them just on the basis of authorities who recommended them. At least half of whatever you read here from some posters is bullshit and the rest often isn't worth very much either.


Actually, Joey, I sold my Avant Grand at a tidy profit...not that it would make much sense to someone at your stage of development, and not that it's any of your business in the first place. grin

Mostly everything I've read from you sort has a great degree of disdain about anything that doesn't correspond to your view of the status quo...personally, I think it's because most of it goes over your head. grin

Certainly I'll be looking forward to when you lower your meds and learn how to participate properly on a public forum, without resorting to foul language...it does, however, give the rest of us a good indication just how low your standards really are.

Snazzy

BTW, Colleen says "Hi", and wishes you all the best of success in your recovery. thumb


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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: snazzyplayer] #1447504
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Another puerile contribution from snazzy...like clockwork. Have you also sold your CP5 at a profit that you claimed to have ordered?

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: theJourney] #1447509
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Please give it a rest chaps.

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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: theJourney] #1447518
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Originally Posted by theJourney
Another puerile contribution from snazzy...like clockwork.


Hey, Joey, speaking of puerility, you're the one needing to resort to foul language.

You should quit while you're behind.

Snazzy








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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: Kawai James] #1447526
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Please give it a rest chaps.

James
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My apologies, James.

Snazzy


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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: Melodialworks Music] #1451238
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Looks like Roland has updated their site. They list two separate products, the 700GX and the 700GXF. As expected, they are identical, except for the GXF having the SN kit pre-installed.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1088

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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: box] #1451286
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So the mystery is finally solved - thanks box!

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: box] #1452385
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Originally Posted by box

Looks like Roland has updated their site. They list two separate products, the 700GX and the 700GXF. As expected, they are identical, except for the GXF having the SN kit pre-installed.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1088

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Thanks for the update. However, I still don't see the GXF shown on the piano. Is it supposed to be invisible or something? crazy One would think that at least Roland's site would have the correct stock images.

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: peanutty] #1453508
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The F of my GXF showed up in the mail today after I was 'accidently' sent the regular GX version of the RD700. Have to say that it's not 300 dollars worth of piano there. It's okay, and some of the pianos have a funkier, less pure sound, but man, the internal sounds are easily comparable. I don't want to deter people from trying it out, and maybe I've gotta play with it more. But it's about $150 worth of piano. Anyone else have an opinion?

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: Mafew J] #1453524
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I don't agree at all. It transforms the RD from something that I would not record with, to something that I would.

I've tweaked, and sent recordings out for evaluation, and the feedback has been very positive, and along the lines "sounds like a real AP". The default settings in the Piano Designer are very conservative.

If you're not satisfied, can you send the expansion board back?

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: Melodialworks Music] #1453560
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Yes I totally agree...the SN engine transforms the piano from a competent but unremarkable DP into something that is currently unique...ie, a hardware stage piano that can stand the most searching and critical scrutiny. I would also say that the benefits of SN become more apparent and impressive as you explore the capabilities of it.


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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: EssBrace] #1453591
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count me among those that think the SN kit transforms the GX.
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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: JcSr56] #1453601
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Another point. Playability is greatly enhanced. You can now actually play softly. Much easier to balance chords and voicing. I'm liking it the more I play. Would I EVER want to go back to the non-SuperNatural APs? In a word NO!

However, it perhaps depends on the style. I play delicate, nuanced type material. I suppose if you spanking the keys, at some point, the add-on board might not be required. (I can't imagine it myself, but then again, I don't play aggressively.)


Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano [Re: Melodialworks Music] #1453610
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Originally Posted by Melodialworks Music
Is the RD-700GXF exactly the same as the RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit installed?

I think so, but have learned to never assume where music technology is concerned . . . .



I finally have received the official answer from Roland Canada.

"It is as I expected. The RD-700GXF is the US' version of the stock RD-700GX with the SuperNATURAL Piano Kit (K-RD700GX1) pre-installed. Here in Canada this configuration is available, just under a different name - RD-700GX1.

There are NO differences between the models - other then the installed expansion card."

Interesting that the name used in Canada and the US is different. I also inquired as to why the RD-700GX appears to be discounted at some US locations, but the Canadian rep was not able to answer this. (As far as I know it is not being discounted anywhere in Canada).

Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: JcSr56] #1453623
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Originally Posted by JcSr56
count me among those that think the SN kit transforms the GX.
John Sr.


Me too...Lawrence sent me a few Wav. demos...my response follows.


Sounds like an acoustic piano...only the slightly shorter decay on the lower notes would be a giveaway, and then again, there are acoustics that have this characteristic.

My concern would be how it feels to play over an extended period of time..ie. when recording.

I liked the Roland action a lot initially, but there was something that made it tiring...I didn't feel that on the Avant Grand, and, strangely enough, I don't feel it on my P-85 either.

The Wav you uploaded sounds rich and less bright than a Yamaha, yet it still sounds like it would sit well in a mix...it's not so "rounded" in tone that it would get lost.

Again, the playability factor would be my prime concern.



I would add that this would be a great piano sound for playing jazz.

Snazzy


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Re: RD-700GXF v. RD-700GX with RD-700GX1 SuperNATURAL Piano Kit [Re: snazzyplayer] #1453651
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Wow! Good to hear you all. I do notice that there's a wider range of dynamics. Don't get me wrong, it sounds good. And I spent about 10 minutes playing it so far. Thanks for invigorating my optimism, I'll see if I get an attitude change.

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