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Wear and tear on pedal finish #143869
06/10/08 03:15 PM
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I noticed that my pedal finish is peeling away. This is on a two year old piano. Is that normal? Part of the pedal becomes gray instead of the original gold color. What can I do to restore it? Thanks in advance for your answers!

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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143870
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Would be curious what others chime in. My pedal isn't peeling, but it definitely is discoloring with wear.

Perhaps I shouldn't have taken off the plastic protectors!? smile

Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143871
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Part of the pedal becomes gray instead of the original gold color. What can I do to restore it?
I can't imagine it peeling, but rather it is tarnished. The pedals are made of brass. You can clean them up with a polish like Brasso-can be found in most department stores or hardware stores.

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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143872
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Some low-end manufacturers use a brass plated pedal.

As has been said, most can be restored with Brass-O.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143873
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Also make sure no one is playing (and pedaling) in his or her bare feet.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143874
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Make two little bags, each by sewing together two pedal shaped pieces of felt. I have done this for forty years, ever since I began cutting my foot on the worn edge of the pedal on my father's piano.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143875
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I am curious as to what brand piano we are discussing. Many manufacturers have shifted away from solid brass to brass-plated. I even found this to be the case in some of the brightwork on my Baldwin SD10.

Moe, if I couldn't practice barefoot, I would likely never practice, so that's not practical. Actually the part of the pedal that my foot contacts is nice and shiny. I don't give it a chance to tarnish!!

Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143876
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Most brass parts will be lacquered to prevent tarnishing, and the lacquer may wear off. Plated parts may lose their plating, but you should see the base metal underneath. If this is a plated pedal and the plating is wearing off, that would definitely be a warranty issue. If it is lacquer, then it might be wear, or it might be a warranty issue.

It sounds like this is plating that is wearing off. The pedals should be replaced under warranty.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143877
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As BDB mentioned,many manufactures shot a clear coat(lacquer) over the solid brass pedals. Over the years the pedals will tarnish actually under the lacquer therefore "Brasso" is not effective. If you take the existing clear coat off with lacquer thinner you can than clean your pedals with "Brasso".Asian brass tarnishes very quickly, the reason why they shot the clear coat "Try it,you'll like it" wink


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143878
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What's described in this thread is actually the opposite of what's happened to the pedal on my old upright in the several years since I've gotten the piano. The left and middle pedals are very dull, but the right pedal now has a fairly shiny gold luster to it.

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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143879
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Also make sure no one is playing (and pedaling) in his or her bare feet.
Why is that? Some reaction between one's skin and the brass? I would have thought bare feet could be better to avoid scratches.

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Also make sure no one is playing (and pedaling) in his or her bare feet.
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Why is that? Some reaction between one's skin and the brass? I would have thought bare feet could be better to avoid scratches.
Yes. Just a tidbit among loads of advice I have received previously on a certain piano forum. Socks is the closest thing I get to playing in bare feet. For the most part, I don't think my shoes (tennis shoes most of the time) have a high potential for scratching. My golf shoes on the other hand...

Check out the following site: How to Clean Brass - particulary the last tip.


Avoid touching brass as much as possible, because the oil in your skin will make the brass tarnish faster and look dirtier.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143881
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... on the other hand (foot?) wearing of the varnish/brass plate is a sign that a piano is getting regular use. I would fret if there were scratches on the finish of my piano, but I don't lose any sleep over the evidence of wear on the damper pedal.

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I have seen some old Baldwin Hamiltons that the sustain pedal had a hole in it from use. I agree with Bruce, I don't worry about it as it shows the instrument is NOT just there for decoration.


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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143883
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If this is a plated pedal and the plating is wearing off, that would definitely be a warranty issue. If it is lacquer, then it might be wear, or it might be a warranty issue.

It sounds like this is plating that is wearing off. The pedals should be replaced under warranty.
I'm not sure it would be a warranty issue, although I would argue that it was to any supplier.

If the piano weree say 9 years old with heavy use, it might be considered normal wear and tear.


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But this is a 2 year old piano.


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But this is a 2 year old piano.
OOPS!

In that case, you are right!

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Re: Wear and tear on pedal finish #143886
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Also make sure no one is playing (and pedaling) in his or her bare feet.
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Why is that? Some reaction between one's skin and the brass? I would have thought bare feet could be better to avoid scratches.
Yes. Just a tidbit among loads of advice I have received previously on a certain piano forum. Socks is the closest thing I get to playing in bare feet. For the most part, I don't think my shoes (tennis shoes most of the time) have a high potential for scratching. My golf shoes on the other hand...

Check out the following site: How to Clean Brass - particulary the last tip.


Avoid touching brass as much as possible, because the oil in your skin will make the brass tarnish faster and look dirtier.
Thanks. Actually, my piano has polished nickel pedals. Alas, I wonder if this warrants a whole new thread!

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"Buyer" however still has not proffered the brand. Enquiring minds...

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With RickG's experience with the Hamiltons, it might warrant a hole new thread!

laugh


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