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Hanon exercises - to completion? #1435337
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I'm wondering, did anyone get through all 60 Hanon exercises? How long did it take to learn them and thoroughly master?

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Re: Hanon exercises - to completion? [Re: Nadia] #1435775
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Hanon Exercises are the waste of paper i like the last pages of his book include scales, arpeggios.


Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

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I began with Hanon as a child, and the first 20 took a few years, but I was not very focused or dedicated back then.

I do, however give Hanon, if properly executed, the majority of the credit for my technique.

One of my students who is very dedicated and talented has mastered the first 20 in about a year.


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I have gone through all of them in a relatively short time, but I have never tried to play them all in a row in 1 hour as advised I think at the end of the book...



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There are so many variations you can apply to the exercises. It's good to keep revisiting for ways to improve hand independence, balance, etc. Someone even recommended to me once to transpose Part 1 exercises to different keys. I don't believe its a waste of time and its a good guide for technical exercises.

I went through Part 1 and 2 fairly quickly, but very thoroughly (6 months?), but I revisit the finger exercises and scales regularly and mix up the left and right hand patterns by adding different dynamics, shading, and rhythms.

To say its a complete waste is too much, but saying is an absolute necessity will also spark some debate. Progress through it with your current repertoire studies, and don't be afraid to jump around within the respective parts. If a certain passage of a piece is bringing you trouble, try pinpointing an exercise in Hanon, as opposed to methodically going through one by one.

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I use Hanon as a warm up to get my fingers moving - along with scales and arpeggios. I've never gone through the entire book and mastered them all. In the early days my teacher chose a few exercises to work on aspects of my technique that were weak - and over time I've used a few others to mix up my warm up.

But I've never felt the need (or the desire!) to work through it from beginning to end.

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I'm not sure what the OP means by "learning" all of the exercises. While "mastering" them is something different, there is not much to learn, in the true sense of the word. Once you have read through them several times, each subsequent measure in each exercises is a repetition of an established pattern, so I don't know what there is to learn. I repeat, though, that mastering them might take some time just adjusting to some of the patterns.

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I went through them three different times. Each time at a faster rate. I was at the beginning of learning how to play the first time I tried them. It took me 18 month to get through all 60 of them, none of them up to speed. The most difficult were thirds and octaves over arpeggios and arpeggios and some others. I can do parts I and II in about one and half hours but too exhausted to do all three part in one session. Last time I did them I spend 2 months on part I, 2 months on part II, and two months on part III. It takes me about 8 weeks to relearn one of these sections and bring it up to speed. I've been playing now for about 7 plus years. Hannon has work well for an old beginner like myself starting piano at 39years old. Extensive practice in Hannon has condition my fingers to play the piano. In recent times i've graduated to Czerny. I am currently just as dedicated to Czerny as I was Hannon. Czerny is closer to real music than hannon and has helped me play accordingly. Hannon is more fundamental than Czerny. Hannon had helped aid in developing pure virtuosity power and ability to reach any key any configuration.


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Re: Hanon exercises - to completion? [Re: Batuhan] #1436291
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Originally Posted by Batuhan
Hanon Exercises are the waste of paper i like the last pages of his book include scales, arpeggios.



To state a blanket condemnation like the above is to condemn similar exercises by various other 'technicians' like Pischna, Plaidy, and the many other books dedicated to improving ones' playing. I practised the first 20 one summer playing each exercise four times which took about an hour (summer between junior and senior year of HS) and when I had my first lesson in the fall my teacher commented on the dramatic improvement of technique. Personally, I still do a Hanon exercise for warm-up and maintenance tho I vary them from day to day. Along with scales and arpeggios and a few other things, it seems to keep my fingers and mechanism in good working order.

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My piano teacher (of 30 years ago) used to have me play the first ten as quickly as I possibly could and time me, encouraging me to increase my speed each week. As a result, I always play them really fast. (I play the first 20 in about 10 minutes.) What do people think about playing them fast? Is this a good idea? I still try to play them evenly and lightly.

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When I started piano MANY years ago, I went thru most of the exercises. Hannon (and my teacher) taught me finger and hand position.
After 40+ years of not playing, I purchased a piano and I'm going back to playing. I begin my morning with 15 minutes of Hannon choosing some exercises between 1-30. Then throughout the day I spend another 30 minutes in other areas (thirds, octaves, etc).
I read somewhere that Rachmaninoff was able to play ANY Hannon in ANY key at 220 metronome speed. That is probably an exaggeration, but indicates to me that he was serious about Hannon.


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Originally Posted by JGonzalezGUS
When I started piano MANY years ago, I went thru most of the exercises. Hannon (and my teacher) taught me finger and hand position.
After 40+ years of not playing, I purchased a piano and I'm going back to playing. I begin my morning with 15 minutes of Hannon choosing some exercises between 1-30. Then throughout the day I spend another 30 minutes in other areas (thirds, octaves, etc).
I read somewhere that Rachmaninoff was able to play ANY Hannon in ANY key at 220 metronome speed. That is probably an exaggeration, but indicates to me that he was serious about Hannon.


Russian pedagogy, if I recall correctly, had their students memorize all of hanon.

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Re: Hanon exercises - to completion? [Re: Rui725] #1436403
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"Hanon Exercises are the waste of paper i like the last pages of his book include scales, arpeggios."

I had my first Hanon Book for forty years. It didn't really waste much paper. I got a new one a few years ago that wasn't so marked up and dog-eared (for it had belonged to another piano student before it came to me).

Meanwhile, I've gotten an encyclopedia's worth of junk mail... and don't even talk to me about hamburger wrappers and grocery bags. Do you know, I think of the Pacific Gyre every time I come up to the checkout counter of a shop. But that is mostly plastic, a 'new continent' the size of Texas. Ugh!

I don't think anyone has said you have to like Hanon. It serves a purpose, and does so efficiently. My new teacher has pointed out certain sections in the 'back forty' of the book as useful, and has excepted others.

I do not think that printed sheet music, which hands down our instrument's technical tradition, is such a large contributor to the worthless, useless, and prodigal waste. But Batuhan, you could also go paperless; Hanon is available online.

However, most electricity is generated by burning coal...

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I credit Hanon for a good part of my technique, especially my octaves. laugh

BruceD, I think the original poster meant mastering the exercises.

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Re: Hanon exercises - to completion? [Re: Rui725] #1436716
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Thanks for all the replies! I picked up Hanon to get a little more serious about piano and improve my technique, I like it because it gives me some systematic approach and it's a good warm up too. So far I've been practicing it for about 6 months, and I got to the 8th exercise. Of course I'm not really pushing myself with it. Maybe I'm on the slow side.

By learning I meant playing at a well maintained tempo at a reasonable speed. If you really master them I imagine you are supposed to be able to play all of them in one sitting.

Originally Posted by Rui725

Russian pedagogy, if I recall correctly, had their students memorize all of hanon.


It's funny that you said that, because I graduated from a Childern's Music School in Russia (yes, we have these highly subsidized establishments where you get private lessons twice a week plus solfegio, music history, chorus, 2nd instrument, etc.), and I have never heard of Hanon until I was browsing the interned a year ago for some systematic exercises. We did have a technical exam every year, which usually included scales, arpeggios, an etude and sight reading. Czerny is really popular there. Now granted I wasn't super serious about piano back then, so now that I look back at it I feel like my teacher didn't really care...

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Just out of curiosity, what level of pianist is Hanon for?

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Originally Posted by Flair
Just out of curiosity, what level of pianist is Hanon for?

If you mean at what level the exercises can be played at full speed without tension, I think it's after 5-7 years of (serious) learning to play the piano.

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I had a teacher (when I was in middle school) who cheerfully insisted that I work up to playing Book 1 without stopping and devoted lesson time to hearing that for a period of time. I think I played them not too fast/slow, rather moderato.

The State Festival (MTNA's version of Royal Conservatory exams) had "theory requirements," which got in scale (and chords/cadences) work, so we didn't do that part of Hanon. Knowledge was "more important" than execution during the exam, which only tested a few of the required keys (though you don't sound like you know anything if you stumble around playing scales or chords). I think I eventually played, on my own, the Hanon Book 2 exercises that carry on the ones in the first book.

In college everybody did the technique jury bit of playing (in one sitting) all the major and minor (pure, melodic, and harmonic) scales and arpeggios in four octaves, four notes per click, working up to 120 or 132.

I've never done the Book 3 stuff, except in literature. 😁


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I am very sceptical about the value of Hanon. The one thing they don't tell you is how to do them, which means you need a teacher (or if you are very very lucky, stumble on the correct approach yourself), in which case, why not cut out the middle man, so to speak, and practice the technical solutions on proper music?

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Originally Posted by Hatchestron
I am very sceptical about the value of Hanon. The one thing they don't tell you is how to do them, which means you need a teacher (or if you are very very lucky, stumble on the correct approach yourself), in which case, why not cut out the middle man, so to speak, and practice the technical solutions on proper music?


Pianists can injure themselves by playing literature without warming up, but warm-up exercises can cause injuries, themselves. 🙄

Devoting so much time to exercises takes away from time for pieces (causing more memory lapses). But, never drilling technique makes pieces sound sloppy, however well learned.

So, moderation is the key, and finding that is elusive. 😁


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