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Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: WimPiano] #2274718
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Originally Posted by wimpiano
@casinitaly, thanks! 8Octaves gave similar feedback and so did my brother. I will try to create a more musical recording without emphasis on speed, if it doesn't work out I'll keep the original submission.


Better to play slowly, but musically! Speed will come. There are lots of good things about your playing and, as someone said, the slower version is really beginning to dance!

But are we doing wimpiano any favours by ignoring the elephant in the room? The one that sits on the music every four bars, preventing it from proceeding? That habit really shouldn't be allowed to continue.

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Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly] #2274731
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@Exalted Wombat, you made me curious? I am having my lessons tonight so please tell me..
Do you mean the pauses?

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This week I got excited when I was able to pick up a new song very quickly. I also got a new digital piano (Casio PX-350), which was exciting. The key action is so different that what I am used to it was a bit shocking for me... my playing definitely will take a step back while I get used to it, but I am glad I made the switch now. The simple songs I thought I had down, don't sound so good anymore. Certain notes are much loader etc... I like it because I can see I have a lot more control someday, but right now it is just an adjustment.

I practiced at least an hour every day for the past few weeks, and so much this weekend my fingers were worn out.

My goals for this week, record a few songs and upload to sound cloud. I am such a beginner, as an adult it is a little embarrassing playing such simple songs, but there is something magical about being able to look back and see where you came from.

Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: WimPiano] #2274746
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Originally Posted by wimpiano
@Exalted Wombat, you made me curious? I am having my lessons tonight so please tell me..
Do you mean the pauses?


Yes, the pauses. I hope they weren't a considered decision :-)

Listen to this YouTube clip. It's a terrible performance, perfectly drilled, perfectly mechanical and with no musical content whatsoever. There's much more music in your slow version. But it does illustrate how the piece proceeds without stopping at the traffic lights all the time!

(To be fair, that's how young children play. The musicianship will come later. But I'm meant to be encouraging YOU at the moment, not HER :-)

http://youtu.be/ZW_pkFHP-Ew


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At my lesson today I ran through my scales and my exam pieces without error! I was pretty excited about that! I am feeling pretty ready. My teacher had a couple of suggestions for better presentation, but overall, she thought things sounded pretty good. So, I am going to think positive. Nerves could torpedo me, but if I hold it together I think I will do fine. I keep reminding myself that I am doing the exams for fun!

Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: Exalted Wombat] #2274868
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Originally Posted by Exalted Wombat
Originally Posted by wimpiano
@Exalted Wombat, you made me curious? I am having my lessons tonight so please tell me..
Do you mean the pauses?


Yes, the pauses. I hope they weren't a considered decision :-)

Listen to this YouTube clip. It's a terrible performance, perfectly drilled, perfectly mechanical and with no musical content whatsoever. There's much more music in your slow version. But it does illustrate how the piece proceeds without stopping at the traffic lights all the time!

(To be fair, that's how young children play. The musicianship will come later. But I'm meant to be encouraging YOU at the moment, not HER :-)

http://youtu.be/ZW_pkFHP-Ew


Thanks, they are kind of by choice though, my teacher's choice actually. He wrote riten with a pencil in the book because he liked me too practice those. Learned (work in progress) the piece that way and forgot to let them out for the recital.
I must say though that when I try to play it continuously without the ritenuto and pause I don't succeed, it still is with small pauses. I will work on those. Again thanks for your input much appreciated.

Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: WimPiano] #2274894
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Originally Posted by wimpiano
Thanks, they are kind of by choice though, my teacher's choice actually. He wrote riten with a pencil in the book because he liked me too practice those. Learned (work in progress) the piece that way and forgot to let them out for the recital.
I must say though that when I try to play it continuously without the ritenuto and pause I don't succeed, it still is with small pauses. I will work on those. Again thanks for your input much appreciated.


Well, OK .... but there's expressive ritenuto and there's grinding to a complete halt!

This illustrates a point that is frequently (and correctly) made here - beware of practicing something WRONG! Whether a fluffed fingering or a questionable pause, play it often enough and it'll stick!

Please mention this discussion to your teacher and let us know his comments?

Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: casinitaly] #2274903
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I brought the matter of the ritenutos up, he said, I just want you to learn those.
I didn't mention the complete halt (as you brought up correctly) I suppose a complete halt is definitely not what he's looking for but he might think this will help me play slower (that's what he wants all the time wink )
I'll discuss it next time again and show him the example. He's quite rigid though, almost autistic, but a very nice person.
BTW. I'm definitely not RCM level 4, level 1-2 perhaps..
This kind of stuff (helpful input) is why I like the ABF so much. Thanks.

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Re: Achievement of the week - what got you excited? [Re: WimPiano] #2275290
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Slow practice generally goes hand-in-hand with very strict time-keeping. Don't start a fight with your teacher, but if he feels like sharing his reasoning behind these instructions I'd be very interested. Though a slight rit. at the end of sections is musically arguable, I can't imagine he intended THAT much, let alone the full stop. But ask him.

"Levels" are only a general guide. But if this piece is rated Level 4, I'd say you were definitely working up to that standard even if you aren't quite there yet! You certainly aren't stuck two or three levels behind.

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...managed not to cry after coming back from holidays, seating in front of the piano and keeping looking at the keys without being able to figure out what to do with them...
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Originally Posted by evamar
...managed not to cry after coming back from holidays, seating in front of the piano and keeping looking at the keys without being able to figure out what to do with them...
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I've been playing for most of my life, and that still happens :-)

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Originally Posted by evamar
...managed not to cry after coming back from holidays, seating in front of the piano and keeping looking at the keys without being able to figure out what to do with them...
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...managed not to cry after coming back from holidays, seating in front of the piano and keeping looking at the keys without being able to figure out what to do with them...
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@evamar: buckle up and enjoy the ride. Someone said: Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted wink

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Originally Posted by wimpiano
@evamar: buckle up and enjoy the ride. Someone said: Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted wink


sounds familiar, I wonder why... wink

I have to record the entry for the recital... that's what worries me right now!


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I am finding out slow practice is beneficial as well. I have such a tendency to quickly memorize and then play through w blazing speed of no technique.
That is what I'm doing w Chopin minute waltz. Play it slower this week.


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Yesterday I had my day of "supervised practice" with my teacher. She wanted to see me at home at my piano and observe how I practiced. She spent about three hours working with me. What a learning experience!

First we worked on scales and my exam pieces, adding some more finishing touches, and then we started a new piece, Kuhlau's Sonatina in A minor Op 88 #3. Slow has a whole new meaning to me now. We took it literally bar by bar HS, and made sure everything was perfect with preparation built in, before moving on. Absolutely no errors were allowed. Everything was at a snail's pace. She kept me on the same phrase until my fingers knew where they were going before they moved. Then we added each new part to the learned part and assured everything worked. After a couple of hours of this, I was toast, but the the part that I had learned was secure. Her philosophy was to learn a piece very slowly, never making an error, with correct choreography, thinking ahead to the next move. To do that required much slower than my normal "slow". Making a mistake even once means the brain records something incorrectly, and risks that error cropping up later. This was possibly the most valuable lesson I have ever had.

My teacher set up this practice session because she could tell that my practice methods were inefficient and were holding back my progress. And, probably because she was tired of trying to fix what I had broken! So my AOTW is getting a clue how to practice better!

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SwissMS, what a great session - and great to have this focus before you get into the exam situation.

This is what my teacher has been trying to get me to do ...and I'm just starting to get it- it makes a huge difference!




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Originally Posted by casinitaly
SwissMS, what a great session - and great to have this focus before you get into the exam situation.

This is what my teacher has been trying to get me to do ...and I'm just starting to get it- it makes a huge difference!

This requires great patience, of which I have very little. Immediate gratification is more my style. <sigh>

AOTW: I improvised something that I thought was actually somewhat interesting. So I thought, "this isn't so bad, why not submit to the recital?" And off I went to grab the phone and record a couple takes based on the general theme. The 1st one seemed decent enough, despite the dog deciding to move around a bunch -- which he like to do whenever the red dot is going. Converted to MP3, and I was ready to go.

FOTW (Fail of The Week): The recital is on the 15th. That means it starts on the 15th, it doesn't close on the 15th. Doh!!! cry bah


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I learned two new pieces this week that I really like - I might even try and get them recorded next week. Regular practice for more than five minutes a day definitely helps.

Also (and this is totally not my achievement) my father in law brought up my new piano bench that he made me. It's custom made to my height and totally gorgeous. It also has a ton of storage for my ongoing music projects, which makes my clutter hating husband happy.

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