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Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Family #1426242
04/28/10 10:58 PM
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Baldwin has made several lines of pianos in the past. What are the differences in quality between the various "Baldwin Family" lines of pianos? I'm thinking especially among the more vintage pianos, say from the years 1900 to 1980 that were manufactured in North America, not Asia. I'm also thinking of grands mostly, not really uprights, although I suppose it might be interesting to include them in this discussion. I'm also not thinking of Wurlitzer or Chickering or any of the stencil names Baldwin bought and had manufactured for them in Asia.


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: Pianolance] #1426247
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Well I know the hamilton, Howard, and Monarch type lines were always below just the baldwin named ones.

The TOL pianos were, the M,R/H/E (or whatever it was) L, SD10 etc. I dont know much about the hamilton pianos and such, but aren't as highly regarded as a genuine named baldwin.

I guess they were probably still decent pianos, but not a high resale value. Just a more affordable line.

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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: Brandon_W_T] #1426438
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I know that Baldwin's "other" lines were considered step down lines, but my question is, is there a difference in build quality or is the difference more in features, etc. For instance, I know that the Hamilton studio piano was a standard in schools. Is this because it was more affordable than the regular Baldwin studio upright and therefore was purchased more often, or is it because it was considered more of a "tank" than a regular Baldwin. Is the Hamilton a lesser quality piano? What I guess I'm really driving at is I'm looking at a Hamilton grand, 5'5" vintage from the 20's. Would this piano be roughly equal to a Baldwin of similar size and vintage? What would be the disadvantages of the Hamilton? Would a piano like this be worth rebuilding musically if not financially?


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: Pianolance] #1426704
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The Baldwin Hamilton studio upright was a regular U.S. made Baldwin. As far as grands go, I think it was sometime in the 90's that Baldwin started selling Hamilton grands that were made in China. A Hamilton grand from the 20's might be a very good piano, but I'm not familiar with them.


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: Larry Larson] #1426836
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Of what I've seen, the Hamilton was the best of their other lines of grands. I've rebuilt a few. The bracing is on the rim is more substantial, closer to being like the Baldwins. They make decent pianos. The Monarchs are usually micro-grands, and the least well built. No rim bracing, as I recall. The Howards seem to come in one size, around 5'. They are obviously not in the class of a regular Baldwin, and have a decorative music rack. Very light rim bracing. They are nice looking little pianos. I am talking about pianos that are 40's-50's vintage.

There are earlier Hamilton's which seem to have been from a seperate company. I don't think they have the "house of Baldwin" medallion, etc. They are nothing like the later Hamilton studio pianos. These are full size uprights, and I think I've run into some grands like this as well.


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: RoyP] #1426840
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There were also Ellington's. From what I understand, they were built in a seperate factory, which stood beside the main building on Gilbert Ave.


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: RoyP] #1426846
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This Hamilton that I'm looking at DOES have the house of Baldwin logo. It looks to be a very nice piano. I have only seen pictures of it but am going to look at it on Monday. From what I can tell it was built in the 20's. The serial number is 111,XXX.


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: Pianolance] #1426942
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The best lesser Baldwin stencil was the Howard made in the sixties and early seventies Oh yeah! they were made by Kawai! wink


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: RoyP] #1427936
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Originally Posted by RoyP
Of what I've seen, the Hamilton was the best of their other lines of grands. I've rebuilt a few. The bracing is on the rim is more substantial, closer to being like the Baldwins. They make decent pianos.


So how would you rate a vintage Howard Grand as compared to a genuine Baldwin grand? Let's say on a scale of one to ten?


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Re: Baldwin, Hamilton, Howard, Monarch and other Baldwin Fam [Re: pianobroker] #1427939
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Originally Posted by pianobroker
The best lesser Baldwin stencil was the Howard made in the sixties and early seventies Oh yeah! they were made by Kawai! wink


I know. I grew up playing one. Fine instrument at it's price point.



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