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#1426325 - 04/29/10 03:06 AM Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering?  
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Is anybody aware of a piano score edition which contains fingering?

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#1426708 - 04/29/10 05:04 PM Re: Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering? [Re: yaccob]  
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as it isn't a pianopiece at all, written for no particular instrument, highly improbable, there is a 2-piano performance edition, Peters I think, but you need 20 fingers..oh yes, and 2 heads


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#1426792 - 04/29/10 08:32 PM Re: Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering? [Re: dolce sfogato]  
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The Art of the Fugue is a harpsichord work. The reason for the confusion is that
it was first published in 'open score' format with each voice written on a separate staff.

"Over the last 50 years most musicologists and performers have finally accepted the idea
that the work must be for keyboard. Much of the overwhelming evidence proving this point
has been published by Gustav Leonhardt". say Davitt Moroney in the preface of my Henle edition
1989.

so the good news is the work was intended for harpsichord - the bad news is the Henle edition
has no fingering - but it is formatted for the 'grand staff' rather than open score.


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#1426813 - 04/29/10 09:28 PM Re: Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering? [Re: Schubertian]  
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Here, as opposed to there
Originally Posted by Schubertian
The Art of the Fugue is a harpsichord work. The reason for the confusion is that
it was first published in 'open score' format with each voice written on a separate staff.

"Over the last 50 years most musicologists and performers have finally accepted the idea
that the work must be for keyboard. Much of the overwhelming evidence proving this point
has been published by Gustav Leonhardt". say Davitt Moroney in the preface of my Henle edition
1989.

so the good news is the work was intended for harpsichord - the bad news is the Henle edition
has no fingering - but it is formatted for the 'grand staff' rather than open score.


Leonhardt, did publish some very compelling arguments, however, there still is not hard factual evidence that says positively, that the work was intended for the harpsichord. It's simply a question that probably won't/can't ever be definitively answered.



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#1426823 - 04/29/10 09:55 PM Re: Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering? [Re: stores]  
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I'm sure there are more educated and informed arguments to be made than this one, but: if it weren't written for the keyboard, why is it generally so playable on the keyboard? In general you can't play all four parts of a string quartet (for example) on a keyboard; there are stretches and spacings that are impossible to realize. But here, against the odds, it's all playable: therefore it was intended.

[This could almost be used as an argument for Intelligent Design.]

Anyway, fwiw my Peters edition has the worst of both worlds: No fingerings, but distracting dynamics and cres/decres markings that Bach didn't write.


-Jason


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#1426920 - 04/30/10 02:26 AM Re: Bach "Art of fugue" - is there a score with fingering? [Re: dolce sfogato]  
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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
as it isn't a pianopiece at all, written for no particular instrument, highly improbable, there is a 2-piano performance edition, Peters I think, but you need 20 fingers..oh yes, and 2 heads


There are definitely music scores out there where all voices are compressed into two staves, to be played on a keyboard instrument.

For instance, here's one of the free scores that can be found on the internet (however, no fingering): http://www.free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=151

As to commercial printed editions, I am at least aware of Henle (cat. no. HN 423) and Peters, however, as mentioned already in the other replies, they dont have fingering suggestions either.


I am mostly interested in playing Contrapunctus I (i was inspired by this rendition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwkzf-KUNPM).

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