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Moonlight sonata, odd notes? #1401202
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In moonlight sonata measure #8 there is a part where A and b is played simultaneously. This combinations sounds odd to me. On my Casio digital piano it sound like that i am accidentally striking the A key. Is there something that i am doing wrong or something wrong with my keyboard?

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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Bluez] #1401207
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It sounds so unharmonic.


Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Bluez] #1401212
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It sounds so unharmonic.


Played by themselves in isolation, these two notes are indeed "unharmonic," but listen to it in context. If you don't have a recording, find one on youtube or something and really listen to what the two hands are doing. You will find that it works. Harmonic tension is often the soul of music, IMO, and this is but a very small example.


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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Legal Beagle] #1401228
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Hi,

Maybe it doesn't "sound" right because of the way you play it. This piece is a little tricky. You have to seperate the 3 voices. In this part, the melody (5th finger RH) has to come out, send the rest of the triplet to the background, and keep the bass (LH) within reach, because soon it will come to the front.

I don't know how to explain it better, but as LegalBeagle said, listen to a recording, it will help.

PS: it's not easy to do it in a DP. I know I can't on my P85. And I'm not talking about the pedaling (yet ;-)


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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Just_Me] #1401233
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JustMe has an excellent point... if your Cascio doesn't have weighted keys, you might not be able to control dynamics at all, in which case it is probably coming out much more harsh-sounding than it "should." Still, though, if you listen to a good recording or two, you'll be able to wrap your ears around it and get the idea.


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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Legal Beagle] #1401236
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Those notes played together are "passing" tones, meaning they have a dissonance leading to resolution in the next measure.

Here are a couple of examples of me playing the Moonlight Sonata Mvt 1

Moonlight Mvt 1
http://www.box.net/shared/g8xmyu3bm1

Then, a second take...still no go
http://www.box.net/shared/1ldt5fxu9n

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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Legal Beagle] #1401245
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Originally Posted by Legal Beagle
JustMe has an excellent point... if your Cascio doesn't have weighted keys, you might not be able to control dynamics at all, in which case it is probably coming out much more harsh-sounding than it "should." Still, though, if you listen to a good recording or two, you'll be able to wrap your ears around it and get the idea.


It has weighted keys, and it's just a few months old (CDP-100). So i guess i can't blame it on the keyboard. But listen more to the original and then try to approach the original is a good idea.

Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Bluez] #1401258
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Note that there is an earlier A/B "clash" in that same bar. Does this also sound odd? The F# disappears and an extra B appears in the treble, but the A/B harmony is still there. The chord you have circled has a span of a 9th in the RH. Is it possible that your thumb on the A in the RH is a touch heavy, accentuating the 'interesting' 9th?

Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: sandalholme] #1401261
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The chord being played is an inverted B7 (dominant seventh) leading to an E chord

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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Bluez] #1401420
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As some others have noted- the B note (fifth finger)carries the voice here. The A note is played (1st finger) with softness. Or, if it proves difficult, since this note was just played you can hold it down through the end of measure and treat it as a tie.
Since I play an aoustical, I am not sure how that might translate on a digital.








Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: Strings & Wood] #1401892
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Well dont worry about wrong notes, you can just say you were adding a modern interpretation to it like this guy



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Re: Moonlight sonata, odd notes? [Re: D4v3] #1423784
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New to the forum and love it; very educational and entertaining to boot.

I'm currently woodshedding the first movement of the "Moonlight" Sonata and this measure had me scratching my head for a second. Not for the A/B harmony (common enough, it's in the triplets a measure or so before) but the stretch from the A on 1 to the B on 5 (pinky). It's definitely easier on a weighted key digital or acoustic.

It's a beautiful piece. It gets tons of play and some pianist may feel it's old hat but it's an evergreen for a reason. So much emotion wrought out of that simple melody and the doleful triplet pulse just conveys waves of emotion.

Thanks for the insight...


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