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I was thinking of a BLANK canvas.... Just kidding... But who knows, maybe this has really already been done too. Nothing surprises me more these days....  It was done long ago, in 1951, by Robert Rauschenberg. Rauschenberg's "White" paintings were a catalyst for Cage to write his famous piece. Kyle Gann's new book on 4'33" came out just a couple of weeks ago, and it looks interesting.
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Minimalist painting has been done. This beauty cost my government 1.8 million.  My government did the same thing about 30 years ago with this painting that cost $1 million dollars, and everyone thought they were crazy. The papers had a field day talking about the excess of the government and the national gallery. The painting in question was once called Blue Poles by a fellow named Jackson Pollock. As it turns out the piece is probably worth in excess of $60 million dollars, and it is a stunning piece, which I was fortunate enough to see again on the weekend. All in all, I think that your government could well have made a wise investment! M
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AND disgusting? Try anything by Ornette Coleman. He makes my colon clench. And then twice over because he has actually sold albums without bothering to compose a melody!
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AND disgusting? Try anything by Ornette Coleman. He makes my colon clench. And then twice over because he has actually sold albums without bothering to compose a melody! Now, now- tut tut! Coleman has been an extremely influential saxophonist, yet I'll be the first to admit that his music isn't for everyone. Sometimes I just don't 'get' where he's coming from, but if the time and mood are right... wow.
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AND disgusting? Try anything by Ornette Coleman. He makes my colon clench. And then twice over because he has actually sold albums without bothering to compose a melody! That's funny. And what does composing a melody have to do with anything, anyway? I don't know much of Coleman's output, but a couple of videos of him on YouTube that I came across were so exciting and inspiring to me that I started thinking of trying to compose some music (classical, not jazz) that was directly influenced by what he and his band were doing.
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I don't know much of Coleman's output, but a couple of videos of him on YouTube that I came across were so exciting and inspiring to me that I started thinking of trying to compose some music (classical, not jazz) that was directly influenced by what he and his band were doing. Oh, Ornette Coleman is fantastic. His album Song X (with Pat Metheny) was very influential to me. One thing I've learned on this forum: someone saying "I really like X" is more useful, and carries more information, than someone saying "I really don't like X". It makes sense, because we usually know a lot more about what we like than what we don't like. -Jason
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AND disgusting? Try anything by Ornette Coleman. He makes my colon clench. And then twice over because he has actually sold albums without bothering to compose a melody! Man if you don't like Ornette, try Cecil Taylor. I shudder to think how your ears will react to that!
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My government did the same thing about 30 years ago with this painting that cost $1 million dollars, and everyone thought they were crazy. The papers had a field day talking about the excess of the government and the national gallery. The painting in question was once called Blue Poles by a fellow named Jackson Pollock. As it turns out the piece is probably worth in excess of $60 million dollars, and it is a stunning piece, which I was fortunate enough to see again on the weekend. All in all, I think that your government could well have made a wise investment! M I googled that painting and it looks considerably more complicated than a huge red stripe. Well, maybe some artists can enlighten me. But IMO the only reason why our red stripe would ever appreciate would be the notoriety that it got from the amount of money we spent on it. There's even a book published about it. The equivalent in musical terms would be charging everyone full price tickets to hear Murray Perahia, and then he sits down and plays 4'33" and leaves. No encore. Sure, it's a famous artist and all...but it's still just a red stripe. 
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The equivalent in musical terms would be charging everyone full price tickets to hear Murray Perahia, and then he sits down and plays 4'33" and leaves. No encore. Sure, it's a famous artist and all...but it's still just a red stripe. Fortunately, that will never happen and not just because it's a bit far-fetched, but because Perahia doesn't/won't play anything much more "contemporary" than Bartok.
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
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Fortunately, that will never happen and not just because it's a bit far-fetched, but because Perahia doesn't/won't play anything much more "contemporary" than Bartok.
I have met Mr. Perahia (he looks quite different than his album covers- he could use a bit of a fashion make-over) and he struck me as a very humble, honest man. He simply plays music which he finds most congenial and conducive to his immense talent. (A CD some years back of Franck and Liszt suggested that he was experimenting. It wasn't a great CD, IMO.) Fortunately there are pianists who are more adventurous, and we are all the more richer for that. Do you remember when some contemporary composer (and I think she was female!) got all bent out of shape when Horowitz had the nerve to programme a Clementi sonata? She wondered why Horowitz was ignoring the music of the present, something along those lines. Horowitz most likely ignored the assault. He knew what he could 'rewrite' best!
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Fortunately, that will never happen and not just because it's a bit far-fetched, but because Perahia doesn't/won't play anything much more "contemporary" than Bartok.
I have met Mr. Perahia (he looks quite different than his album covers- he could use a bit of a fashion make-over) and he struck me as a very humble, honest man. He simply plays music which he finds most congenial and conducive to his immense talent. (A CD some years back of Franck and Liszt suggested that he was experimenting. It wasn't a great CD, IMO.) Fortunately there are pianists who are more adventurous, and we are all the more richer for that. Do you remember when some contemporary composer (and I think she was female!) got all bent out of shape when Horowitz had the nerve to programme a Clementi sonata? She wondered why Horowitz was ignoring the music of the present, something along those lines. Horowitz most likely ignored the assault. He knew what he could 'rewrite' best! Yeah, I've met him (twice) and played for him as well. It was one of the most memorable experiences I've ever had. I had no way of telling if he was honest, or humble, but he's long been one of my very favorite pianists. I have that CD, by the way and I love it (especially his Mephisto).
"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy
"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."
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