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Barb - I love the confidence with which you play this. In my next life I'm not going to be a wimp on the piano And it sounds so cool with BIAB

Cathy

Thanks Cathy. BIAB is total fun.

You - a wimp? HAHAHA! I have heard you play with your group. I hear nothing but confidence from you. Plus, I am envious that you have a REAL group and I just have my BIAB guys.

Barb

This is a very good thing you're doing here Barb It helps you listen.

Tempo is the same. The difference lies in two very subtle things but have a huge effect. His accents are MUCH more differentiated. His quarter notes are cut a little short. And he drags ever so slightly behind. Keep comparing like this.

If you have Transcribe, you could probably slow it down even more and you'll notice the delay.

Jazzwee - I do hear all of the differences you mention. My brain understands, but my fingers are not yet obeying.

For transcribing, I use Slow Gold which can take it down to almost zero percent. I can usually hear all the notes at 35%.

I like to use AL Show for when I play along with Wynton. It slows it to 50%. The loops are easily managed with AL Show.

This stuff is so very time consuming, but, so much fun. I will continue on with my project.

Barb

Concentrate on the accents for now. The delay and such is an advanced technical skill and your time has to be precise to do that.

For delay practice though, you could have a metronome clicking 8th notes, and then see if you can consistently drag a certain amount. Try varying amounts from a 16th to just barely noticeable. I remember doing this a lot. It's an ear thing after awhile and comes when you actually relax when you play.

Hey Barb, that sounded really great!

Hi everyone!

Jazzwee - I agree. I will concentrate on those accents. Good tip there for the "delay" practice.

TLT - Welcome back! Thanks for the

Hey, Barb - great doings you've got going here!

Since I started with the jazz thing, I'm only just getting into some runs & fills stuff - but your improv sounds great!

I'm still just gleaning info from everywhere I can...your posts always help, thanks!

Hey, CMohr - Thank you.

Runs and fills is a good start. I have been working on progressions over the basic 6-2-5-1. You may find the following link helpful:

http://www.nationaljazzworkshop.org/freestuff.php

If you scroll down that page, you will see links to pdf files. This past week, I have been working on the Turnaround progressions found here:

http://www.nationaljazzworkshop.org/freematerials/ligon/Bert_Ligon_Turnarounds.pdf

I've been doing the above progressions in 5 keys. Trying for those accents!

What resources have you been using?

Barb

Barb,

Thanks for this link. There are some great things here. Very instructive.

Andy

Jazzwee and all, I can't seem to stay away from Wynton Kelly's solo. I worked this morning on those accents. As TLT has suggested, I found that I can hear the biggest difference when I concentrate on softening the note before the heavy accent. Problem here is that I do not have the printed music. So, I can't see how those eighth notes look on the printed page. This is strictly by ear.

You will hear my rendition from this morning, followed by yesterday's take and then the master himself.

http://www.box.net/shared/028ikteh2n

Andy - Glad my link is helpful to you. Bert Ligon is quite a jazz educator. I am working from his book: "Connecting Chords with Linear Harmony". It is excellent.

Barb

That sounds great Barb! Big improvement! The other thing is that when you added the delay, it really began to swing like Wynton. Excellent! Now as you can see (or hear), dragging the beat is an important element of swing. And also by your copying of a line, exactly, your emulating the proper swing ratio here. Nothing extreme in Kelly's playing as you can see.

Thanks for the links, Barb! I've downloaded a bunch of them. Great site!

Right now my resources are my teacher and a very old keyboard harmony book.

Thanks, Jazzwee. I had to laugh about the delay. Yesterday you told me to not do the delay since it is an advanced technical skill. Well, I did listen to your advice and did not consciously try to drag the beat. BUT, I played along with Wynton for quite a while this morning before recording. So, I just picked up on it.

This is the way to go for me. I need to play along with the pros until all this stuff comes natural for me.

CMohr - I forgot you have a teacher helping you along here. Lucky you!

Barb

LOL. What I didn't tell you is that the delay is often tied to the control of the accent But I didn't want to overwhelm. Whatever you're doing is great since it sounds very natural.

AARRGHH Too much information, Jazzwee!

Thanks Barb, I checked out the playalong link. Do you know what tempo the C major one is in ?
Right now I'm working with the metronome for my swing. One day I hope to be confident enough to switch the metronome off.

Hi CA,

Regarding tempo, it sounds like around 126. It's just a close guess. I don't use play alongs. I do prefer Band in a Box or just my metronome.

Are you set up to record? We need more brave folks to post their play here. I learn by listening. Plus, jazzwee needs to be kept busy on this thread.

Barb

Thanks for your guess Barb. It will take me a while to work up to 126 bpm. I'm relearning my whole swing methodology with the metronome clicking on 2 4. I used to have it clicking on 1 2 3 4.
What recording device do you use ?

I use software called Wave Creator and I have a mic. It goes through a mixer (which is not necessary).

If you want to use free software, I recommend Audacity. All you need to buy is a mic. When you do download Audacity, make sure you get the mp3 converter which is also free.

Metronomes -- I love those 2/4 clicks. I too was used to those 1/2/3/4 clicks. It took some getting used to when I switched to 2/4.

Barb