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#1382901 - 02/25/10 06:52 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mark_C]  
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Here is the link Mark C. It is as you guessed, the one dedicated to Emile Gaillard his pupil and friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4tsWgI7z_s

I knew Chopin was a humble guy who didn’t like putting titles against his Opus numbers, but he must have been very very humble not to put even an Opus number against this one.

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BTW, did you know.......(but shhhhhhh! you have to promise to keep it pretty quiet!) smile

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Props to the guy in the first row, the one with the cane, brown vest and black hat. He was sitting there when I tune in this morning, at noon, this afternoon, and still, same chair this evening. Amazing! He occasionally writes in a small black book. He is either getting paid or a huge Chopin fan!








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Originally Posted by Mark_C
IT WORKED! smile

BTW, Dr. K: Do you know if it's true that the "Emile Gailliard" mazurka was originally supposed to be Opus 43?

P.S. It fascinates me that these illustrious people of old must have had no idea that what would immortalize them was the pieces dedicated to them. Would we ever have heard of "Emile Gailliard," not to mention Razumovsky, Waldstein.....


Dear Mark,

I don't think there's any direct evidence that the "EG" mazurka was to have been op 43: it would have been unusual for him to publish a mazurka by itself in that manner. But as a supplement to a newspaper (which is how it was published) it was not so unusual.

Off to give my paper . . .

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Thanks! And of course good luck with the presentation!

I did a little more checking about the "Gaillard" mazurka (which I think I've been misspelling in all my posts) smile .....and several references seem to say that the first edition of the mazurka "erroneously" carried the opus number 43 which had already been given to the Tarentelle. I had remembered the story being that the mazurka got the number first but then it was changed.

Not that any of this matters of course. ha

But folks like me find it fascinating. smile

BTW.....Huneker's book is one of the sources that mentions (in a footnote) Op. 43 in connection with this mazurka. Not that he was necessarily always accurate......

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Thank you, Dr.K. And I wish you success with your paper. Or maybe I'm too late. Anyhow, you are so unselfish with your time and energy, and we do so appreciate it.

I feel like a idiot, but I don't know anything about Mr. Gibbons. But I will listen to him as soon as I can take a break from this concert, which might be a while.

I am listening to it on my laptop and the speakers are not good at all. I have to plug in my earphones. I bought a el cheapo speaker, but it's exactly that - cheap and no good. Can anyone recommend a good (and relatively inexpensive) speaker that I can use for my laptop.

Wow, the man who is playing now is super. (8:45 Chicago time). BTW, does anyone know the time difference from the US to Poland (relatively)?

Has anyone noticed that there is a counter (in light gray) on the side of the screen. Mike White pointed this out to me. Close to one million have logged on so far. It should be in the numbers of people who watch "American Idol," but then what do most people think talent is? I guess screaming at the top of one's lungs qualifies. Think of the years and years and years these performers have put into their craft. I can't even imagine the sacrifices they have made to become what they are.

Has anyone noticed that they all seem to be wearing black? I hope this is not to mourn. I would think (in my little mind) that red and white would be more appropriate. thumb

Happy listening to all,
Kathleen




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After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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An interesting thread with links to some fascinating articles:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...sical_Music_as_Punishme.html#Post1383310

Puts the concept of nonstop Chopin in a somewhat different light, I'm afraid....

I'm told that a soprano/string player from Albuquerque, Joanna Morska-Osinska, is going to play in the marathon on Monday, but I don't see her on the program. I'm trying to find out more.

The woman who was playing a moment ago was wearing a red and black dress, and the current performer is wearing a dark print. (Me, I wear black much of the time no matter what.)

I was afraid that I was severely out of it, because I had never heard of Jack Gibbons either. Sorry, Jack! Now I've looked at your website and will listen to you sometime very soon.

Elene


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Did anyone hear the two blind students play? Unbelievable!

Off topic: I posted my "two cents" on the thread about using music for torture. I know I come off sounding like a typical old biddie. Has anyone ever considered why all old biddies sound the same? Maybe they have lived long enough to gather a bit of wisdom along the way. Just a thought.

Anyhow, after practice, I am returning to the concert. AND I have that 5 hour concert on Monday at Northwestern. Gosh, I wonder if all this classical music would amount to being tortured? What a way to go. laugh

K


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
#1383490 - 02/26/10 04:22 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]  
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Did anyone hear the woman singing? Magnificient. As Chopin said: Sing!!

And she did so, beautifully.

Kathleen


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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Quick! The F m concerto!!


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
#1383498 - 02/26/10 04:41 PM Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: loveschopintoomuch]  
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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
Quick! The F m concerto!!

Yes! I wasn't expecting that. I tuned in just in time. It sounds wonderful, even with just a string quartet. I hope they play all three movements.


"Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all difficulties." - Frédéric Chopin

"Hats off gentlemen, a genius!" - Schumann on Chopin

"Chopin is the greatest of them all, for through the piano alone he discovered everything" - Debussy on Chopin


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Yes, they did and did and encore of the 2nd. Now I have no idea what going on?

K


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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My Internet stopped just after the performance finished. Then I refreshed the page and they were performing the 2nd movement again. I thought something had gone wrong and it was showing something that had already happened, so I closed it until now, but it turns out it was an encore. Now, 30 mins later, someone is playing 17/4 (now 34/3).

Thank you Kathleen for clearing up that moment of confusion, but brilliance.


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OK, right now a chubby older lady is standing next to the piano in Warsaw playing a gong, a conch shell, and some singing bowls that she is using a bow on. crazy I like it, actually, but I don't know what it has to do with HIM.

And the NewsHour is showing pictures of the snow in NY, where my daughter is now living. She and I decided we shouldn't go to Poland at this time of year because it would be too cold and snowy. HA HA HA HA. Jeff said it was sunny there. He was lucky to get out of the winter wonderland of Pennsylvania, I guess.

Elene

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It's 3 in the morning - Saturday, right now. And someone is playing the most haunting and lovely music. Could they be some of Chopin's songs? I've never heard it before.

Elene: Every so often, some strange things happen there, but all in all I would give it a 1000% grade.


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For those of you not on FB here is the most recent mazurka posted by Jack Gibbons. It's A flat major, Op.41 no.4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h9x5Tqz2m0

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Originally Posted by custard apple
...mazurka posted by Jack Gibbons. It's A flat major, Op.41 no.4....

Thanks! One of my favorite of the little-known mazurkas. I've sometimes played it as an encore -- it's a little gem. It was discussed recently on another music site when someone came across it and wondered what people thought of it.

To me this mazurka seems to "speak" -- I mean as though with words, to an extent way beyond any of the other mazurkas. Not that the "text" is clear -- it's whatever your mood-of-the-moment might tell you. But whenever I hear it, or play it, I so much want to put words to it.....

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One of the strangest or should I say most unusual was a gentleman playing Chopin's "Fantasie" Impromptu, Op. 66 in a tango style!

Anyone else catch that?

Big bad storm hit yesterday. Trees down, wires down, electricity out.

And all I could think of is that I was missing these concerts (oh and the women's final group of figure skating) !!!

Grrrrrrr....


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Thanks! And of course good luck with the presentation!

I did a little more checking about the "Gaillard" mazurka (which I think I've been misspelling in all my posts) smile .....and several references seem to say that the first edition of the mazurka "erroneously" carried the opus number 43 which had already been given to the Tarentelle. I had remembered the story being that the mazurka got the number first but then it was changed.

Not that any of this matters of course. ha

But folks like me find it fascinating. smile

BTW.....Huneker's book is one of the sources that mentions (in a footnote) Op. 43 in connection with this mazurka. Not that he was necessarily always accurate......


Dear Mark,

It all matters! You're right, of course (see, I told you the learning wouldn't stop). I had forgotten the misattributed opus number story.

Much to post about goings on here in tropical Warsaw (tropical compared to Philadelphia, that is), but I'm late for the morning sessions. I have some photos that I'll try to post this evening when I'm back at the hotel.

Jeff Kallberg

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I can't believe how our little thread about Chopin has progressed to the heights it has now reached. I remember times when I had to resort to post guessing games to keep it going. And now, we have so many amazing posters whose knowledge and experience and insight will continue to make it the best of the best of its kind on the Internet. My heartfelt gratitude to all of you. heart

And once again, Liszt Addict, what a gift you have provided for many of us. laugh To be able to watch and listen to this amazing concert from the comfort of our homes is well, priceless. Does anyone know just how long it will continue? Will it go through next Monday? I found out that Warsaw is 7 hours ahead of Illinois.

How did your paper go, Dr. K? What was the reaction? Anything you care to share?

K


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So a few photos of Warsaw to follow here.

First, a view yesterday morning (foggy) of the Holy Cross Church, where (of course) FC's heart lies:

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Next, the old library building at the University of Warsaw, where our congress is taking place. You-know-who featured prominently on the facade:

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Finally, a poster for a nice little exhibit at the Congress, "Traces of Chopin at the University of Warsaw". Many such small events around town:

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My paper went well; thanks for asking. I'll do a separate post on the congress at some point, but now off to tonight's concert (concertos played by Demidenko and Kissin), and thence to a late (but undoubtedly great) dinner, with some splendid smalec to start.

Jeff Kallberg

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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
I can't believe how our little thread about Chopin has progressed to the heights it has now reached.....

Yes indeed. smile

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Dear Jeff K, I can't thank you enough for sharing these superb photographs with us. It brings a real taste of Poland to the 'Devoted' thread.

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Jeff, thanks for the pictures!

You asked where the marathon concert was-- it is taking place at the headquarters of Wspólnota Polska. The address is Krakowskie Przedmiescie 64, and there is a map on the site. The home page is http://najdluzszeurodziny.pl/.

They just finished a performance of the cello sonata. Last night (my time) someone performed a string of mazurkas, wonderfully, then broke into a highly competent and interesting jazz version of one of them (I can't remember which). Then he did two completely different, very involved, jazz improvisations on the Fantaisie-Impromptu, which didn't work quite as well but were still worthwhile, wrapping up with part of the mazurka again and tying it all together. There have been some awesome jazz folks.

I need to practice....

Elene

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Among the professionals, who do you think is the best Chopin interpreter? I'd like to buy some MP3's to add to my classical music collection. smile


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Among the professionals, who do you think is the best Chopin interpreter? I'd like to buy some MP3's to add to my classical music collection. smile


Krystian Zimerman, Yundi Li are the first two that comes to my mind. But can never go wrong with Horowitz, Barenboim, Rubenstien.

btw, Thanks for the comment on youtube =)

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