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#1381641 - 02/24/10 02:06 AM Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA?  
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At first, I want thank you guys talked me out of getting my friend's "free" piano last time.

I just found the perfect piano for my son. A pristine 1968 Yamaha M2 I bought off craigslist. The seller is a retired music teacher who just moved to a assist living place and left this little M2 behind. She owned the piano since the 70s.

I don't believe anyone would import used pianos from japan in the 70s since the Yamaha was the "cheap" piano on the market at the time. I put the serial number "659686" in the yamaha website and it says this piano was not made for north America.

My question is can Yamaha intentionally denying they made it for America because this sample from the 60s is not upto the standard of their later models?

The only other possibility would be it was imported by an independent dealer rather than Yamaha themselves. Which I can accept since I live on the west coast.
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#1381829 - 02/24/10 11:22 AM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: cantplay]  
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Originally Posted by cantplay
I don't believe anyone would import used pianos from japan in the 70s since the Yamaha was the "cheap" piano on the market at the time.


There's a big Air Force base here in ABQ, and I see some very interesting pianos that come here when the military moves people back to the US (including uprights with beautiful brass candle sconces!). That's one possibility.

Originally Posted by cantplay

I put the serial number "659686" in the yamaha website and it says this piano was not made for north America.

My question is can Yamaha intentionally denying they made it for America because this sample from the 60s is not upto the standard of their later models?


Yes, they can, and they can refuse to provide replacement parts for it, based on that serial number. This is the whole topic of "gray market" pianos; there's another thread going on this at present.

--Cy--


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#1381881 - 02/24/10 12:51 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: Cy Shuster, RPT]  
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That's a good point. I know a few baby boomers came back from japan. They would had brought back pianos about the same time.

The one I got is truly pristine. Not a single scratch any where.

I'm sure they are RPTs who can order parts from Yamaha w/o the run around.

Besides even yamaha says there is no difference in their piano from the 60s for export or not.

Have anyone else tried putting their serial number from the 60s on Yamaha website? I wonder Yamaha just refuse to reconize any piano from the 60s was made for US.

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#1381889 - 02/24/10 01:04 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: cantplay]  
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Manufacturers of anything can stop providing parts for their products after so many years. Computer manufacturers, like Apple, provide lists of their products called "obsolete." Some states, like California, have different standards, but 40 years is a long time. In fact, many piano companies from 40 years ago are no longer around at all.


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#1381908 - 02/24/10 01:23 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: BDB]  
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Well Yamaha is still around so that part is not a problem. If Yamaha refuse to sell parts for this one then use after market generic parts.

It does seem a little suspect that Yamaha will list this one as an offshore piano. Companies like to sell new pianos not repair their older instruments from years back. They refuse to supply parts in a misguided attempt to have these older ones removed from the market.


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#1381919 - 02/24/10 01:36 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: Silverwood Pianos]  
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I don't need any parts yet ( finger crossed). But when I need parts I'll just go buy a "made in china, American brand, made with Euro material and German parts, Japanese designed" piano (roll eyes). Then I can sell my Yamaha and double my money.

Let me know if anyone else has an one owner yamaha from 60s and was told " not made for north America "

thanks!

#1381947 - 02/24/10 02:27 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: cantplay]  
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More info to proof it's not a "grey market" piano.

I just found a little sticker under the lid. It says "David L Abell FINE PIANOS".

I'm convinced that Yamaha is not honest about what is a "grey market" piano. It is just a marketing tool to sell new pianos. My 2 cents

#1382076 - 02/24/10 05:13 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: cantplay]  
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Could be, Cantplay, I find it's interesting that Kawai doesn't seem to take as drastic approach in discouraging the purchase of "grey market" pianos as Yamaha does. Anybody know why that is? Is it due to volume of grey market Kawais vs. Yamaha?


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#1382097 - 02/24/10 05:46 PM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: PianoMan1958]  
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cantplay,

Yamaha Corporation of America (the North American distributor for new Yamaha pianos in the U.s.) should not have be responsible for pianos that it did not import and sell into this market. YCA has no reason to mess with serial number listings and not include your piano. It is not longer under warranty and you would be paying for any parts needed anyway.

What is the complete model designation. M2 series were 42" consoles in a variety of furniture styles, i.e. M2ER, M2FR, M2GR, M2HR. This series was built in Japan and market beside similar but lesser U.S. built instruments from the Everette factory during that period.

David A. Abell was one of the earily Yamaha dealers in the U.S. Your serial number was produced in 1967. You bought your piano from a private party off of Craigs List. Caution is advised with verbal representations from private sellers. They may not have been the original owner. The piano was likely traded in and resold by Abell. This could have happened a year ago or forty years ago.


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#1382365 - 02/25/10 12:47 AM Re: Perfect little M2 forsaken by YAMAHA? [Re: Marty Flinn]  
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Thank you for the info. Where can I find the model number? It is forged on the harp NO M2. And the serial number is printed under the symbol of Yamaha and also on cabinet. Thx again!


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