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#1376916 - 02/17/10 10:20 PM celviano ap-45 action, good enough to learn on?  
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I find myself in the situation of finally being able to buy a digital piano and to start taking lessons (I have doodled on keyboards in my teens, about 20 years ago, for several years, but never owned a piano): given past experiences in other instruments (drums & guitar) I do think it is a good idea to get a 'starter' instrument not to overspend on something that I might not like that much later on, and to buy a 'for keeps' instrument once I know what sound/feel/... I am after.

At the same time I am definitely against 'starter' instruments that hinder, rather than help, the learning via poor quality or other issues.

As much as the AP-45 does not have all the latest bell & whistles the newer celvianos or other DPs have (64 poly, instead of 128, no triple sensor/escapement) it does seem to get pretty good reviews/comments here, but I couldn't find any posts talking about its action and if it's "good enough" so that if I have it for practice I won't be a fish out of water on the (I assume non digital) teacher piano and that it will help me learn things "right" so to speak.

I do not plan to use the AP-45 for concerts or anything, just to learn piano on for a few years at least, in a hopefully enjoyable manner (ergo my question about action, as it sounds quite nice in the youtube videos I was able to find about it).

I have been thinking about the AP-45 also due to the fact that it's easily available for cheap online, and at my level of competence I wouldn't be really able to make an informed decision in a piano store (ok, the v-piano felt really good in my regular music shop, but at this point in time it'd be a bit too much for me )

Thanks for any information you might have, I have been lurking on this excellent forum for a while now and I guess it's time to start partecipating (probably in the adult beginner forum hopefully soon!).


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#1376942 - 02/17/10 11:09 PM Re: celviano ap-45 action, good enough to learn on? [Re: MarcoM]  
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If the ap45 is good or not depends on the price. It's discontinued so I assume you are looking at a used model. So you need to compare what else you could buy for the same money.

My opinion is that you can learn using any decent weighted hammer action keyboard.

#1376977 - 02/18/10 12:17 AM Re: celviano ap-45 action, good enough to learn on? [Re: ChrisA]  
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it's still sold new on costco.ca (for $649, which is a fairly decent price, not sure where they are finding new ones but apparently it shows as in stock), they also have the px730, px800 and apparently the ap-420 will come in stock soon, but of course for quite a bit more $$$ (it's listed at 1299 and there might be a $200-$300 sale according to a forum post I saw).

The main difference between the ap-45 and the ap-420 is, besides the new sound engine of course, the new triple sensor keyboard: if it does make a big difference of course I would consider it, but if it's only a minor improvement (from the learning perspective, I am sure the ap-420 will sound nicer) I would rather save my money for a better digital piano down the road.

#1377603 - 02/18/10 07:28 PM Re: celviano ap-45 action, good enough to learn on? [Re: MarcoM]  
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Touch is very subjective, but I love the touch of my AP-45. I was trying out grand pianos at Rick Jones Pianos last week and definitely felt that most felt just like the AP-45, give or take. It certainly is not a hinderance at all.

Also, I have no trouble going from the AP-45 to my Kawai UST-7 upright. {actually kind of prefer the Casio keyboard).

SOme people ar bothered with keyboard noise, "clacking", but I use headphones and never hear any of that.

Good luck which ever way you go.

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