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There is actually a used CP300 going in our neighborhood. Considering the recent drop in price they may be willing to bargain even more - just thought I would pass it on Thanks very much for that link! I just sent him an email, so we'll see what happens. Does anyone know if the sounds (besides the piano and EP) in the new CP5 are the same as the CP-300? Also, I'm curious if that's plastic on top of the CP1 and CP5. I'm guessing it is. Mychal
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Also, I'm curious if that's plastic on top of the CP1 and CP5. I'm guessing it is.
I believe it's vinyl. It's got a textured design and look.
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Yes it's supposed to mimic the stuff on top of the old electric grands...Tolex did they call it?
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I played on a live concert yesterday with my CP1 and a band. It looks nice and a bit retro. A beautiful instrument. CP-300 is the most practical and ugliest piano Yamaha has ever made, BIG place to put computer keyboard, mouse and extras. Live you could put scores etc. My CP1 has those enormous knobs in the middle and even though I put some scores they dont feel "safe" and you cant change sounds easily. The "vinyl" material is hard plastic vinyl imitation. That area is a bit sloped (very little) Forget about putting a extra synth on top. (the CP-300 is very capable) There is of course no onboard speakers. The CP-300 has graded action and has one of the industries best stage piano key action. The CP1 has a very unique hammer action that is very easy to play on and once you adapt you can use all your dynamics. The action is miles from the N3 etc. A pure classical pianist would probably hate the Yamaha CP1 the first two days. The rhodes sounds goes superb with the new action. I did a quick recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqLtN4TKWQw//Linken
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My CP1 has those enormous knobs in the middle and even though I put some scores they dont feel "safe" and you cant change sounds easily. Linken, thanks for the review and comparison with the CP-300. Everytime I look at the CP1 or CP5 I wonder why they put those big knobs and screen right smack in the middle like that. I'm sure it's easy to see, and the big knobs would be easy to turn, but for me at least, it's impractical. It sounds like it was a bit of a hassle for you too. I'm wondering why you think the CP-300 is ugly. I can see why you would say it's practical, though. I think it was brilliant to arrange everything on that small sloped panel, and leave the top flat and open. I've tried it a few times in stores, and it was easy to get around and adjust different parameters. How would you compare the piano sounds of the CP1 and CP-300? How about the Rhodes sounds? Have you gigged with the CP-300? If so, any shortcomings that made you wish you had something else? Thanks for any help! Mychal
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It will be very interesting to see if the CP-300 is kept on or if something comes out that bridges between the CP-50 and the P-155 later.
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Shallow I know but the thing that would prevent me ever having a CP-300 is its ugliness! It's just a shapeless black slab. I had a P-200 which was its forerunner and it was a very good piano but no visual charisma at all.
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Shallow I know but the thing that would prevent me ever having a CP-300 is its ugliness! It's just a shapeless black slab. I had a P-200 which was its forerunner and it was a very good piano but no visual charisma at all.
Steve I don't know if that position is shallow, but I did at one point have a Motif XS8 in the studio, and really didn't like the colour. It bugged me. (My wife, though, actually like it). So there you go, to each their own. Bottom line, function (how it plays / sounds) has to come before form and aesthetics, but it's nice to all three. (Now I want some cake for breakfast . . . !)
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linken, the "tweaked" CP 300 mellow, what does tweaked mean? I'm asking because Piano 2 on the two P-series Yammies that I own/have owned sounds like mush, whereas the CP's is actually enjoyable to listen to - as is your playing - and I may have to go back to playing a stage piano at home.
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I'm digging my CP1!
My default go to patch is #5 Lush Piano, either with the Hammer set to Normal, or to Soft 1. This is using the CF 3Band Adjusting the hammers does change the character, and I find my self actually playing differently, depending on what setting I'm using. This is as it should be.
My second default go to patch is #04 S6 Lounge, either with Hammer set to Soft 1 or Soft 2. This patch uses the S6 3Band.
However, some of the other patches are awesome, as well, and may become my default go to patches!
I've experimented with some tweaking, but not to improve the sound, but to explore what the parameters will actually do. So often with DP's or samples, the patch programming is not that great, and you need to work very hard to improve the situation. Not so with the CP1. The patches are excellent. This machine is totally useable right out of the box.
Man, are these pianos detailed and alive. I'm in love with them. I have the day off, due to a provincial holiday, and have a giant to-do list, but find myself instead drawn to the CP1, not just because it is new in the studio, or because I'm trying to avoid my to-do list, but because it is so enjoyable to play.
The range of expression on both pianos is amazing, and allows for very creative results. In other words, you play differently. It feels like you're playing AP's not a digital piano.
Best DP I've ever played? Yes.
Better than sampled pianos I've played? I would have to say yes.
This thing sounds alive! It sounds real!
I also love how it sounds recorded, which is not something that I can always say. Some DP's / samples sound good while you're playing them, but disappointing on playback after you've recorded them.
Yesterday I turned on the CD player in my car. Some nice piano started playing. I thought, that sounds really nice, I wonder what this is? Oh, its the CP1! (I had dumped some of the user demos from Moose and linken to CDR and had forgotten about it being in the car).
So, of course, your milage may vary, but anyone considering a stage piano would be well advised to check out the new CP1, and subsequently CP5 or CP50 depending on your needs.
And no, I don't work for Yamaha. I've just become a real fan of this keyboard.
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The tweaked CP-300 is the "mellow piano" patch. with voice edits. The ordinary CP-300 piano sound has a very characteristic "twing" in the tone. (instantly recognized as Yamaha) But I have put a foot pedal in the soft pedal jack and left it "on" all the time. This removes the "twing" and if you then increase brightness you get a woody sound that goes well for solo piano. In a band NOT.
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The tweaked CP-300 is the "mellow piano" patch. with voice edits. The ordinary CP-300 piano sound has a very characteristic "twing" in the tone. (instantly recognized as Yamaha) But I have put a foot pedal in the soft pedal jack and left it "on" all the time. This removes the "twing" and if you then increase brightness you get a woody sound that goes well for solo piano. In a band NOT.
You can accomplish the same thing with an 1/4 inch (mono) plug with no cable attached. You just have to know whether the Yamaha wants normally open or normally closed (sometimes called the polarity of the pedal). With a normally open jack you have to jumper the two lugs of the plug with small wire (after unscrewing the shell). With a normally closed jack you have to leave the two lugs alone and it will activate the soft circuit just by being plugged in. Either way you buy the same plug for a few dollars at Rat Schack It would be an odd keyboard that this didn't work on. It's how they check the jacks on keyboards at the shop my wife owns. KZ
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Wow, nice hack. That reminds me of this trick, used to 'ghost' an external VGA display among the Hackintosh community. Cheers, James x
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The rhodes sound is not from the same planet, comparing CP-300 with CP1. CP1 has top notch detailed sounds.
Thanks very much for posting those links! That is very helpful. You play really nicely too - I'm assuming that's you? Your new CP1 stands out for the clarity of its tone. It sounds good. I'm curious why you didn't wait to try a CP5 with the additional sounds. Would you have bought the CP1 over the CP5 even if both were available now? The CP1 does have a nice look to it. Somehow it reminds me of my Rhodes from a million years ago. Mychal
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Best DP I've ever played? Yes.
That's cool you are so happy with it. I'm in the market for a new digital piano right now for live use, and this one and the CP5 are at the top of the list. I asked Linken the same question - I'm wondering why you sprang for the CP1 instead of checking out the CP5. Is the CP1 clearly superior to the CP5 as a piano/rhodes axe? Obviously you know it's double the price, without the additional sounds. So I'm wondering what it is that made you choose the CP1. Mychal
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The CP1 does have a nice look to it. Somehow it reminds me of my Rhodes from a million years ago. +1 James x
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linken, I would never have thought to do that. Amazing!
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The rhodes sound is not from the same planet, comparing CP-300 with CP1. CP1 has top notch detailed sounds.
I'm slowly but surely figuring this out. The CPs look like an old Rhodes, the keyboard is not graded, and the electric piano sounds are one of its biggest selling points. So a big part of its market niche is being able to get great EP sounds and also get some of that feel of playing on one. I wish I wasn't worried about the fact that the action isn't graded. I wonder if there was much of a debate on whether to have a graded action in there or not. Mychal
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