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I'll second Monica's recommendation of Allegro Pianos in Stamford, CT. Piano row has too many great dealers to pass up. The important thing is to have fun and enjoy the shopping process.

I also suggest that play pianos well above your price range. The reason is not to tempt you into spending more, but to give you an idea of what's possible. I purchased an Estonia from Ori at Allegro and I believe my piano compares well to those more expensive brands. If you like long sustain in a piano you'll love Estonias.

BUT, you'll also find a plethora of rebuilt Steinways all along piano row. Check out Faust Harrison, Bechstein and Beethoven Pianos in addition to Steinway Hall. There are other stores in the area, but I don't remember their names.

Good luck and do enjoy the shopping.


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Even at 5'-6", I can't believe an Estonia 168 recommendation hasn't surfaced yet smile

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OK. Here's an Estonia 168 recommendation. Michelles pianos in Oregon offered me a new 2007 L168 for 19900USD. A new 2009 L190 should be available for about 28000USD. Ask them, if the Estonia sound is what you want.


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This guy has a 2007 Estonia L190 in the African wood. He's in the NY area too...

http://www.sonnysinstantpiano.com/gal_piano.php?id=2

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And if you like Baldwin look for a nice used SF-10...

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As far as tier groups go, an Estonia in tier 2 would certainly be a formidable contender against pretty well any other.

This is not 'biased' because we happen to carry the line, it's evident by the very position this piano has earned in record time.

Anybody shopping anywhere near the stated price range would be highly recommended at least try an Estonia. As far as size goes, these pianos are just about as good as it gets.

Personal taste may vary, but the sound and built quality of this piano will set a very high - and extremely competitive - level against any others.

Good luck in your search!

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Since we are now throwing in pianos over the $25,000 range.
Check out the Charles Walter W190 6'4" I'm finding not everybody likes
a European tone.


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Originally Posted by Steve Chandler
.....If you like long sustain in a piano you'll love Estonias.....

I know that these things about pianos are a little hard to convey in words, but......isn't that sort of opposite to what he specified? (i.e. in his 2nd post on here)

I was trying to think of pianos that are essentially the opposite of what you're saying about the Estonia. smile

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ditto smile

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Seeing all these Estonia posts, I have to ask:

Is "long sustain" not essentially the complete opposite of what he indicated?

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If you like an American piano, the Walter grands would be a good (and often overlooked) choice. Our church has the 175 in the sanctuary -- for its size, the piano sounds much larger, particularly in terms of bass clarity. I don't know if its got the Abel hammers or not (probably does), but the tone is clear and crisp. It has held up well, too, although we did invest in a Pianosaver system.

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Well it's hard to find a better location than NYC to search for a quality grand piano. In addition to the above recommendations I would also recommend taking a trip to Long Island City and visit A.C. Pianocraft (www.acpianocraft.com). They specialize in rebuilt Steinways and Mason Hamlins. For many years they use to be located very close to Piano Row in Manhatten. I've been to that shop a couple times and they can vouch for their high quality rebuilds. Price wise many of the rebuilt pianos would be above your limit but in today's market you never know. I still think it would be well worth a visit. Good luck.

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If I had 25k to spend I would buy a less than 15 year old Steinway L from a private seller. If I couldn't find one at that price then I would buy a Boston GP-178.

Steinway's 'Boston' line is a direct competitor of the RX Kawai and Yamaha C series. I agree the Yamaha tends to have a brighter tone than I like. The RX kawai are very good pianos but I prefer the Boston's touch. They tend to have a, for lack of a better term, heavier feel which makes them easier to play softly, IMO. Plus Steinway just made some substantial upgrades to the Boston line including a Maple inner rim and Mapes Strings.

All are great pianos which are built very well. It comes down to personal tastes.

Just my honest but biased 2c's

Have fun during your search and good luck thumb


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When people post about problems with volume, it's because their pianos are too loud. Something like a Walter 175, which Kevin posted has a bass clarity which causes it to sound longer than it is, would be a good choice - especially if fitted with the Ronsen hammers which the designer prefers.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Seeing all these Estonia posts, I have to ask:

Is "long sustain" not essentially the complete opposite of what he indicated?


?? Not that I could see... actually, I just re-read all five of David's posts, and he doesn't mention sustain anywhere. Instead, he mentioned specifically not liking the Yamaha tone, and he spoke positively of his family's Baldwin and a rebuilt Steinway. So that's why I threw out the Mason & Hamlin and Estonia recommendations.

Well, to be honest I probably would've recommended the M&H and Estonia no matter what he said. whome

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I was referring to his having said "classic sound."

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
I was referring to his having said "classic sound."


What is a classic sound?


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I ditto the Knabe suggestion. I know a 5' 8" would be under $20K, but that's about all I know. In your location, I'm sure you'll have plenty of access to try all sorts of brands. I only know about Knabe from reading and listening to a piano dealer in our area. He is a true piano lover, rebuilds Steinways, sells Mason & Hamlin and Charles Walter. He knows we can't afford any of that, and he had wonderful things to say about the Knabe. Fine ranks it high too.

Let us know if you try a Knabe. I'd love to hear what you think about it.

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Originally Posted by DavidNYNY
I am moving to a new apartment, and I will have room for a parlor grand--something under 6'6. I have budgeted up to $25,000 for the purchase. Of course I would rather spend less, but that's my maximum.

I practice every day, but I am not an expert on different types of pianos. I would love some advice on what people consider the best options in this price range.

I would also welcome any other suggestions on how to go about buying a piano. Does anyone think a used or rebuilt piano is a good option? Are there any particular dealers I should consider (I live in New York City)? Are there any good piano discounts or sales I should know about?

Thanks for your help.


Whatever you do...give it time

Test drive, test drive, test drive them all. Keep asking questions, find a good local tech to help you check out the finer points, especially if you plan on buying a rebuilt one that appeals to you.

You will play one that will speak to you - then you'll know what to do.

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Agreed, take your time and enjoy the search until you find one that fits both your ear and budget.

With that said, while you're in the throws of a winter storm, maybe check out some online examples. Who knows, might help set a bench mark.

Rick Jones has a pretty good online site, and has some videos of some of their used/refurbished/etc pianos. I went by there during my search and although I didn't end up purchasing there, was a VERY close second. In any case, worth a good checking out...

http://www.rickjonespianos.com/grands.htm

Enjoy!
Mark


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