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I'm playing the 'violin' on my elec. keyboard for a stage show. I keep seeing a large V.S. at the bottom of some pages which seems to mean "turn asap and be ready to play on the next beat". The music director didn't know what it meant or stood for. Anyone know?

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It's exactly what you said.
I mean, I didn't know either smile ......but you got me curious, so I checked. I've played some violin and never came across it myself.

It stands for volti subito ("turn suddenly").

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It is a shame violin players usually don't have a page turner and then get such instructions.... frown



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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
It is a shame violin players usually don't have a page turner and then get such instructions.... frown

The stand partner on the left is responsible for turning it. The stage would just get too cluttered with all the page turners going about! Soloists, of course, have their parts all memorized.

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When working as a copyist many many moons ago, I was told to use V.V.S. for the really quick page turns.


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How interesting - I never knew that! (I only play piano, trombone, organ and recorder).

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Originally Posted by currawong
When working as a copyist many many moons ago, I was told to use V.V.S. for the really quick page turns.

If they wanted to be linguistically correct smile ....it probably should have been V.S.S.
Doubling the letter "V" would just be doubling the word "turn."

But what the hey....... as long as it works.
Especially since most of us (like me) never even heard of this at all till about 10 minutes ago! ha

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When working as a copyist many many moons ago, I was told to use V.V.S. for the really quick page turns.
If they wanted to be linguistically correct smile ....it probably should have been V.S.S.
Now you've got me wondering whether I'm remembering correctly! But no, I am ... The meaning I was told was "Very Soon" (as in, you have to play very soon after turning) - and "Very, VERY soon" makes sense if you're using that meaning. smile

Copyists' in joke, perhaps...


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Originally Posted by currawong
Now you've got me wondering whether I'm remembering correctly! But no, I am ... The meaning I was told was "Very Soon" (as in, you have to play very soon after turning) - and "Very, VERY soon" makes sense if you're using that meaning. smile

Copyists' in joke, perhaps...

Yes -- I wondered if maybe the abbrev. had taken on some meaning in English, in addition to the original Italian (or whatever that is) smile .....and if maybe in the English version, "VVS" makes perfect sense.

I don't know if anyone else will think this other thing is related, and I guess it isn't really ha ......the French word for "sauerkraut" resulted from a misunderstanding about the word and getting it basically backwards. Some French person looked at that German word and realized it consisted of 2 words linked together, one of them meaning sour and the other meaning cabbage. To make a French word from it, they took the "kraut" part, turned it into "croute" to make it more French, so far so good..... but they thought that was the part of the word that meant SOUR! And therefore they added the French word for cabbage, which is chou, and got choucroute. Which means, literally, "cabbage cabbage."

I love stuff like this. crazy

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I also thought that V.S. meant very soon when I was in youth symphony. To any page-turning violinists out there -- transfer your bow to your left hand and turn with your right, so the violin is being supported by both your hand and your chin and your bow is safe! If you try to turn with your left while holding the violin with only your chin, there's a good chance you can drop your fiddle or put out your stand partner's eye with your bow. eek

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Originally Posted by Frozenicicles
Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
It is a shame violin players usually don't have a page turner and then get such instructions.... frown

The stand partner on the left is responsible for turning it. The stage would just get too cluttered with all the page turners going about! Soloists, of course, have their parts all memorized.


I have seen soloists with music, but at Conservatorium performances, so, maybe because they were still students....
I once even saw a student who dropped the music while trying to turn the page... frown



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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
....I once even saw a student who dropped the music while trying to turn the page... frown

IMO that kind of stuff makes concerts better. smile

Look at it this way......I bet the people who built the Leaning Tower of Pisa felt terrible about it. But look at what the result through the centuries has been. ha

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Oh no!! But better dropped music than dropped violin. BTW, I see that you have girl in your signature line now... laugh

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Well, actually, I'm not playing for a few measures at the end of that page, so the turning isn't hard, but at least it's a warning not to be woolgathering.

I tried to find that V. S. but not in any music dictionary I own.

The pianist for this show will have a page turner - no way could she do it alone.

I still rely on my plastic sheet covers when I play piano and need to turn fast. Best thing I've found. Dogears don't work for me.

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I just found it in the Dolmetsch dictionary - but spelled out as 'volti subito'. No way would I have found it by perusing all the V's.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
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....I once even saw a student who dropped the music while trying to turn the page... frown

IMO that kind of stuff makes concerts better. smile

Look at it this way......I bet the people who built the Leaning Tower of Pisa felt terrible about it. But look at what the result through the centuries has been. ha

ha I was even more in awe of a flute student tormented by a fly on her nose. There was no other fly in the whole room. She was really brave and played until the end. thumb



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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
ha I was even more in awe of a flute student tormented by a fly on her nose. There was no other fly in the whole room. She was really brave and played until the end. thumb

Stuff like that can be the highlight of a concert, and sometimes the only thing that gets remembered.

Whether we like it or not. smile


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