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What's wrong with the Yamaha YPG635? #1357684
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I'm new to the forum and looking for my first DP to augment or replace my acoustic. I'm considering the YPG635, which I can get at a nice price right now. But in looking through recent posts this model seems to get little respect, and I wonder why. Most people seem to prefer the costlier P-155.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on the differences, aside from cosmetics. I don't care about looks.

I'm an older amateur who returned to playing a few years ago after many years. I play mostly classical but am mildly curious about the "bells and whistles" the 635 offers.

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Originally Posted by jabe74
I'm new to the forum and looking for my first DP to augment or replace my acoustic. I'm considering the YPG635, which I can get at a nice price right now. But in looking through recent posts this model seems to get little respect, and I wonder why. Most people seem to prefer the costlier P-155.


The 635 uses Yamaha's "GHS" key action while the P155 uses the "GH" key action. Also the piano sound inside the P155 is much better. The P155 is a much more realistic piano

For those who think the GHS key action is the best they can afford the P85 makes more sense because it has the GHS but costs less then the 635.

Yes the 635 has automatic accompaniment, drum loops and recording but if you have a computer you can do all that stuff much better using the computer.


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So better action and better internal sound with the P155, right? Or the same key action with the P85. Makes sense. Thanks, Chris.

Would there be any point in waiting for the release of the new Yamaha stage pianos? I know they're more expensive but I might be able to afford the CP50. How would that differ from the 155?

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The CP50 does not have speakers.

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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
The CP50 does not have speakers.


Yes and to that I would add that it will use Yamaha's next version of their sound sample and speakers that are "good enough" will cost you $300 and up.

The CP50 is not yet in stores so few people have seen them and we don't yet know if they are really much different or if it is all Yahaha's marketing hype.

The current generation of Yamaha stage pianos sound is good but always could be better. I think it sounds pretty good when played softly and up to maybe "f" but does not handle "fff" convincingly. Part of this is the speakers but I think it is inherent to the key action and samples. Realistically I think we should only expect incremental improvements as their current over $1K DPs are pretty good.

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Originally Posted by ChrisA



Yes and to that I would add that it will use Yamaha's next version of their sound sample and speakers that are "good enough" will cost you $300 and up.



Actually, my favorite, the Logitech Z-2300 Stereo 2.1 speaker system, is under $200 and sounds astonishing on a digital piano, surpassing most built in speakers on even high end digitals.

These speakers are often overlooked because they are sold as computer speakers, and though they are, they were found to sound incredibly good on digital pianos and/or arranger keyboards.

I'm serious...they are very good, and not to be dismissed without at least a try out...I am on several other keyboard forums, and there are many players very happy using these for home use, and even for small gigs.

My average sounding P-85 has a remarkably great sound through the Logitechs.

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I think that just for having fun, the YPG series is fine. One of the biggest limitations is the internal volume, which is quite low. The "live", "cool" and "sweet" voices are well-implemented (better than Casio's equivalents, IMO) and some of the extra functions add value. However, if you're intending to start practicing classical music again, it may not be the best tool. The dynamic range is limited and you may find that it constrains your ability to play with sufficient expression. Like others have said, it would be worth considering the Yamaha P155 and, if funds are limited, the Casio PX-130/330/730/830, although I believe that for basic piano tone and playability, the Yamaha beats the Casio.


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So I take it the P155 is already a pretty darned good DP, and the CP50 is an unknown quantity at this point. Other than Chris, I haven't heard anyone comment on the 635, my original question. Maybe he pretty well summed things up: better keyboard, better sound samples in the 155.

But I'm still curious. Is the 635 looked down on here because it's more than a straight DP? Or does it have any real deficiencies I should be aware of. If the onboard speakers are not too good, I can use headphones or, I assume, pipe the sound to my stereo or external speakers.

Thanks, jabe74.

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Folks, I am leaning more and more toward the P155 at this point, but right now that means an extra $400.

Is $1,200 the going rate online or does someone know of a better deal.

Thanks, jabe74.

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It depends on what you want to do. Actually the softer GHS keys on the 635 are better suited to playing non-piano sounds. You really don't want weighted hammer action keys if you are playing a flute sound.

The 635 has a pitch bend wheel and you really do need this for many instrument sounds. Guitar sounds especially need it to simulate a hammer on or pull off. But pianos can't bend notes you don't find this on most DPs.

Same with accompaniment loops. If you want to play with these then you want the 635.

So it depends on your goals. The P155 is better suited to solo classical piano.

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Originally Posted by voxpops
I think that just for having fun, the YPG series is fine. One of the biggest limitations is the internal volume, which is quite low. The "live", "cool" and "sweet" voices are well-implemented (better than Casio's equivalents, IMO) and some of the extra functions add value. However, if you're intending to start practicing classical music again, it may not be the best tool.


Thanks, vox. I didn't see your reply earlier. That's great advice, and answers some of my questions about the 635. jabe74

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I think many so called "piano players" look down on the YPG-635 because it has an accompaniment section, meaning it's fun to play and not to be taken seriously.

The GHS action is more than fine by my fingers (my P-85 has it), and I've been playing for some time...it's a bit lighter than some, but heavier than others...sort of a Baby Bear's keyboard...just right. wink

I like keyboards with accompaniments, and use an arranger (PSR-S910) for solo gigs, and it's a lot of fun and it teaches you timing and how music is arranged for different styles or genres.

I have several friends using YPG/DGX pianos, and they like them a lot...it's sort of an arranger keyboard with 88 nicely weighted keys.

If you're not interested in Carnegie Hall, and you want to have fun playing piano, and playing music, it is a fine instrument, and made by a company that leads the pack in both arrangers and pianos...of course, the last part is purely my own opinion.

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More excellent advice. Thank you Chris and Snazzy. Now I'm wavering again.

I'm not going to be a concert pianist, but I would like a fine keyboard -- something like the old Baldwin Acrosonic upright I used to play. I am curious about the add-ons of the 635, but because I've never had access to them before I have no idea whether I'd use them long-run or soon lose interest. It's not like I play in a band and need them.

I understand the P155 is a better pure piano. But would I be right to assume the 635 is pretty much equivalent to the P85, with the addition of a pitch wheel and accompaniment loops?

jabe74

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Snazzy, you mentioned that you are in other several keyboard forums. Can you mention some of the best, in our mind ? I'd like to give them a look. Thanks.

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I've never actually played a YPG-635, but from what I understand of it, it goes something like this:

YPG-635 = A lot more voices, accompaniments, pitch bend wheel etc.
P-155 = A lot less voices, no accompaniments, but superior piano sound and touch.

So it really just depends on what you're looking for. If you want to have fun playing show tunes with neat sound effects etc. then the YPG-635 might be more your thing, if you primarily want to play using the piano sound then go with the P-155, IMHO it would be worth saving the extra money for.

I just bought a P-155 last week, I've got some recordings made on it. I had to buy blind because there are no dealers around me and I couldn't find many good sound samples to listen to online, so I'll send you a private message with some samples. I'm very happy with it, but then I mostly only wanted piano sounds which is why I chose it. Hope this helps you somewhat.

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Originally Posted by gerardo1000
Snazzy, you mentioned that you are in other several keyboard forums. Can you mention some of the best, in our mind ? I'd like to give them a look. Thanks.


I'm a lurker on some and contribute most times on the others, but I like this forum the best...there are some fine people on this forum, with some great opinions and knowledge.

I'm on The Keyboard Corner (connected with Keyboard Magazine), Yamaha Personal Keyboard Owner (or YPKO as it's often referred to) Synth Zone BBS (several members on this forum are pros that use the Logitech Z-2300 and Z-5500), PSR Tutorial, and Yamaha CVP Forum are a few that come immediately to mind.

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Hi Jabe,

I think that most folks get tired of the jim-jams sooner or later, whereas nobody gets tired of having a more decent piano sound and action. With all but the best piano sounds, most of us eventually get irritated by one or another sound artifact, and that is a real downer when you bought the DP for your playing pleasure.

Unless you have a desperate need for the extras on the YPG, I'd go for the
P-155. Besides, playing along with an accompaniment gets old pretty fast. It'd be a lot more fun to get together with some live musicians...

Good luck with your purchase. For price competitiveness, some folks on this forum recommend calling Guitar Centre and asking them for a deal,

Jonathan

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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
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I didn't know you were THAT old Snazzy ..... wink



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Jabe74,

Have you considered testing the Roland FP-4 which, at a price equivalent to Yamaha P-155 combines a good keyboard, a good piano sound + many voices and great auto-accompaniment features?

I was about to buy the Yamaha YPG and ended up with a Roland, but be sure to try before you buy, and trust your ears and your choice.


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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
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I didn't know you were THAT old Snazzy ..... wink

Strangely enough, I was thinking you were much older than I... wink

Thankfully neither of us have matured. smirk

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Originally Posted by 10fingers
Besides, playing along with an accompaniment gets old pretty fast. It'd be a lot more fun to get together with some live musicians...


Jonathan


Can't agree with you there, Fingers, it's never gotten old for me...I've used accompaniments for years.

All well and good to play with other musicians when and if they are available, which you can also do with the 635...in fact it can substitute for the musicians you couldn't find to play in an ensemble, perhaps as a bass player or drummer.

I use my PSR-S910 midi'd to my 88 key P-85 and also my CP-300...it's great fun, especially when I can play in an ensemble of my own choosing, at a time that I choose.

Auto-accompaniments aren't the tippy tappy joke they used to be 30 years ago...they've come a long way, and can now be considered a benefit rather than a hindrance.

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For me, the drum kit was an added bonus for my Roland 700GX. Many piano teachers say to play with a metronome, which I find to be annoying. But I have done some studio work, and I know how important it is to stay on the beat, which often people don't realize how much they speed up and slow down without a click track or drums.

I presume playing to a drum track achieves basically the same thing as playing to a metronome, but it's just a far more enjoyable experience. The p-155 only has a metronome, the 635 has drum tracks. I would reluctantly use the metronome to work on timing if I had no other options.

So whereas I probably wouldn't use drum tracks in performance (maybe for one song, just for variety, I'm pretty much a solo performer), they are helpful to occasionally use in my home. I'm pretty sure I would not use the accompaniment feature during a performance. Seems "dishonest" to me.

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Originally Posted by Sprout


So whereas I probably wouldn't use drum tracks in performance (maybe for one song, just for variety, I'm pretty much a solo performer), they are helpful to occasionally use in my home. I'm pretty sure I would not use the accompaniment feature during a performance. Seems "dishonest" to me.

Sprout


Using a digital piano could be deemed "dishonest"...it's not a "real" piano. wink

Used tastefully, accompaniments add to a performance, but one should not rely solely on them for playing, unless playing the piano is secondary.

There are many performers who play piano along with a standard midi file (SMF), which is basically an extension of accompaniment styles.

I play over SMF (usually one I make myself) when I want to try out different piano licks within a tune.

It will certainly depend on how one advertises oneself for gigs...honesty would surely be the best policy...and, if I was hired for a solo piano performance, no way would I use accompaniment or SMF.

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I didn't mean dishonest in a totally bad way (but yes, I would sometimes say that a dp is even bordering on "dishonest")--I just mean that it borders a little too close to karaoke for me. When I go to see a performance, I want to hear people playing intruments, not just pushing play. I feel pretty much the same way about using a CD for tracks. I'm mostly a singer and I use guitar/piano as accompaniment. It's odd for me when someone performs and just sings using backing tracks. Kinda the same way with accompaniments. Now if you program them yourself, that might be a different matter. Just using the stock sounds is odd for me.

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The YPG-635 isn't too great as a piano due to the unrealistic 1-layer samples. They sound halfway decent through headphones or external speakers but they totally lack the sharp bite you get from playing f and harder on an acoustic piano and lack detail when played softly. I suppose it doesn't matter as much when you're just trying to learn most pieces, but it's annoying when you're trying to play something from start to finish.... but I'm just pickier than the average person :P

It does have a ton of other sounds, but much like the piano, they all sound kinda thin and digital. Additionally, the speakers (and headphone out) hiss even at low volumes, just like my old cheapo 61-key Yamaha.


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Hey, lots more wonderful comments.

Tbar, I haven't tried the Roland -- or any Roland for that matter. I'll see if I can find one, but there are few music stores in my area.

10fingers -- I might try calling Guitar Center. Are you saying they might offer a discount if I ask, even if I don't see a lower price elsewhere? What's a rock-bottom price for the P155?

Do folks think the P155 will go on sale in March or April, when the new Yamahas come out?

Thanks again for all your help. I love this board. jabe74

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Originally Posted by jabe74

10fingers -- I might try calling Guitar Center. Are you saying they might offer a discount if I ask, even if I don't see a lower price elsewhere? What's a rock-bottom price for the P155?


I don't think asking outright for a percent off will work. Not if they see that you are already committed to buying a piano. They do offer discounts but only if they think it's the only way to close a deal. Go in the store and play the piano for a while. When the sales guy asks tell him you like it but you will need to come back in a week or two after saving more money. He will offer a zero interest loan. Tell him you never borrow money. Lowering the price is the salesman's last resort, not his first. If you know this then you can let him exaust his other options. But be prepared to jump on the discont. he will never put the discount offer in writing.

They will however price match without any arguments or conditions. As long as the other store has them instock they will beat that price by 10%.

They will have sales but discounts on Yamaha products are rare. You only tend to see store wide deals like "$100 off any single item over $1,000" and those kinds of sales,

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I would take a different approach. Make an offer.

If they hesitate, offer to pay in cash. (That saves them nearly 3% vs. a credit card payment.)

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Unfortunately there are no GCs in my area, Chris and Mac. I suppose I could call up and see how things go. I've seen storewide sales at other sites, like MW, and might be willing to wait for another. Thanks, J.

Re: What's wrong with the Yamaha YPG635? [Re: jabe74] #1358944
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Originally Posted by jabe74
Unfortunately there are no GCs in my area


No? What next? I suppose you'll say there are no Starbucks either.

Seriously, some Saturday you will just have to make a day of it and take a road trip back to civilization and plan on spending all day in a music store or maybe you find a place where several are close by. Maybe take a side trip and see what these things called "Starbucks" are all about. I did just that. I decided to spend a few hours in each of two stores. Took all day. but it's one one day and you'll then be the expert.

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