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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356859
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What is a N3 ? confused

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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Cashley] #1356860
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An N3, is a Yamaha Avant Grand digital piano.

Here t'is:

http://www.avant-grand.com/


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356862
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
Originally Posted by Dr Popper
A Roland RD700GX's Expressive Grand patch is based in a Steinway and does a reasonably good impersonation of one.


Really? My experience comparing Rolands, including the RD-700GX's Expressive Grand, to my well maintained Steinway, leaves me wondering what the heck Roland has based the sound on...it certainly sounds nothing like my piano.

The sound is more likely a composite of several pianos.

Snazzy


Shows you how often I play a Steinway (not for years) but I do quite like the Expressive Grand in the RD700GX ... its certainly a more European sounding patch then any Yamaha one.


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356864
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
Yes, it is a bit strong, but other than the waste of good wood, wire and felt, I see no positive use for upright pianos.


I'd choose an upright over a grand for a lot of popular music, Blues, Ragtime, Rock 'n Roll lots of older Jazz. Grands just sound too sophisticated for many genres, like an opera singer covering a Rolling Stones song - shudder!


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: BazC] #1356868
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How did Roland which is a Japanese product acquire a non-Japanese name ?

And where are Korg and Kurzweil made ?

Correct me if I'm wrong. It does appear that Japanese are the leaders in DP technology.

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Cashley] #1356872
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Kurzweil was originally American I believe but is now owned by Hyundai (Korean), Korg is Japanese and I presume Roland chose a western name for marketing reasons.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it;

"Origin of the Roland name

Roland was founded after Kakehashi cut ties with Ace Electronic Industries (a company he founded in 1960) and Hammond International. As with many Japanese startups of the period, the name Roland was selected for export purposes as Kakehashi was interested in a name that was easy to pronounce for his worldwide target markets. Legend has long circulated that he named his company after the French epic poem La Chanson de Roland. In actuality, the name Roland was found in a telephone directory. Kakehashi opted for it as he was satisfied with the simple two-syllable word and its soft consonants."


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: BazC] #1356873
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V-Piano supposedly models a Steinway and a Bosendorfer, but it doesn't sound like either of those instruments. The V-Piano sounds like, well a Roland piano. (My engineer says that the problem with Roland pianos is that they all sound like Roland pianos).

I don't believe an authentic Steinway sound exists on a DP. You would have to use a sample library.

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356874
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
Originally Posted by Dr Popper
A Roland RD700GX's Expressive Grand patch is based in a Steinway and does a reasonably good impersonation of one.


Really? My experience comparing Rolands, including the RD-700GX's Expressive Grand, to my well maintained Steinway, leaves me wondering what the heck Roland has based the sound on...it certainly sounds nothing like my piano.

The sound is more likely a composite of several pianos.

Snazzy


The Expressive Grand in the RD700GX is sampled from a Yamaha CFIII, I thought you would like to know that.

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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356881
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
but other than the waste of good wood, wire and felt, I see no positive use for upright pianos.


You forgot to mention - creating work for piano tuners.

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: turandot] #1356885
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Originally Posted by turandot

"Why does a digital piano have to sound like a real one?"

Substitute 'acoustic' for 'real' and I'm with you on that. Both are real pianos.



Yeah, that's better.

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Melodialworks Music] #1356892
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Originally Posted by Melodialworks Music
V-Piano supposedly models a Steinway and a Bosendorfer, but it doesn't sound like either of those instruments. The V-Piano sounds like, well a Roland piano. (My engineer says that the problem with Roland pianos is that they all sound like Roland pianos).

I don't believe an authentic Steinway sound exists on a DP. You would have to use a sample library.


What is a V-Piano ? A particular Roland model ?

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Andree] #1356894
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Originally Posted by Andree


The Expressive Grand in the RD700GX is sampled from a Yamaha CFIII, I thought you would like to know that.


I don't know where you got that information from Its a Hamburg Steinway C according to my sources.



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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Sprout] #1356895
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The demos of the Garritan VST are nice but still not as good as I had expected.
I might get it someday and hook up my digital to my PC.

I'm getting tired of the plastic sound of my Roland HP-201.
If you also get tired of the sound of your digital while practicing, here's a simple tip: transpose the keyboard one or two semitones up or down every now and then. laugh It really helps for the music to stay 'fresh' to your ears.

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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Cashley] #1356898
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Originally Posted by Cashley

Is there a website that offers a systematic education on VST ?


Wikipedia
Steinberg User's Forum has tutorials
A bit of humor with your midi.
Another one I like.
And a wealth of info from a member of the forum.


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Dr Popper] #1356904
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Originally Posted by Dr Popper



Shows you how often I play a Steinway (not for years) but I do quite like the Expressive Grand in the RD700GX ... its certainly a more European sounding patch then any Yamaha one.


If by "European sound", you mean thin mids, then, yes, Roland has it nailed firmly to the mast of the good ship Wimpy. wink

"Expressive Grand"...ha...never was there a piano patch so inaccurately named. wink

It's not that I don't like Roland...I just don't think they should be making digital pianos...I like their synthesizers (I have a JX-10) and their earlier digital piano actions were very good (the SK-6 especially), but since then they have been trying to keep up with Yamaha, and still tagging along behind.

I firmly believe their acoustic piano sounds are a composite of several pianos. I do know, from personal experience, they don't sound like a Steinway, or a Yamaha.

Snazzy


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Cashley] #1356908
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Originally Posted by Cashley


What is a V-Piano ? A particular Roland model ?


http://www.roland.com/V-Piano/

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356910
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer


I do know, from personal experience, they don't sound like a Steinway, or a Yamaha.



Or Bosendorfer.

Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: snazzyplayer] #1356915
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
Digital pianos have already "knocked out" uprights...only acoustics selling well now, are the grands.
Snazzy


Snazzy,
Grands may be the only acoustics selling well in your location (I note from your profile that's it's 'earth'), but I can assure you that uprights are selling very well in many places elsewhere!
My local dealer sells more uprights than digital and grands put together. And I believe in Asia that uprights outsell grands, although this trend may be changing.


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Re: Steinway-like Digital Pianos ? [Re: Tweedpipe] #1356964
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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe

Snazzy,
Grands may be the only acoustics selling well in your location (I note from your profile that's it's 'earth'), but I can assure you that uprights are selling very well in many places elsewhere!
My local dealer sells more uprights than digital and grands put together. And I believe in Asia that uprights outsell grands, although this trend may be changing.


That may be true, Mr.Tweedy, but for the life of me, I can't imagine why anyone would waste good money on an upright piano.

Their bass strings aren't a whole lot better/longer than my old Yamaha CP-80, and it's many times I have compared a decent digital's low notes with an upright's, and my gast had never been so flabbered at how the former had more clank and bottom, not to mention, even better tonality and presence.

Perhaps it is also to the digital piano's advantage, that it is sampled from a grand piano, and also that there just doesn't seem to be any actual advancements in the design and construction of uprights...they are a waste of good wood, wire and felt in my opinion.

Like their more snooty and sophisticated brethren, the grands, they still require maintenance and/or tuning, which in most cases, requires the not so inexpensive services of a tuner/technician, and the disheartening feeling of not only listening to the wretched instrument go out of tune, but to bear the inconvenience of trying to contact the slowly disappearing species known as piano tunerus expensivo, known better by it's common name, the piano tuner.

That's why it is most heartening to see Piano World express such wonderful open-mindedness and create a forum dedicated to those of us who prefer digital pianos over their dinosaurial acoustic counterparts.

Snazzy


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