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Stores, have you read his biography "A Life in Music"? It's not a typical biography because it doesn't include personal information about his life, marriage, etc. It focuses solely on his musical career. I enjoyed it very much.


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Yes, gooddog, I have. I've also read "Music Quickens Time", and "Parallels and Paradoxes", which he co-authored with Edward Said. All three are very worthwhile reads.



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I started the first but got sidetracked. I intend to finish it because I was enjoying it.


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Originally Posted by gooddog
The "nugget" that really stuck with me was when he said (about the Waldstein) that the music doesn't start with the first note. It starts in the silence before you begin playing and ends in the silence after you stop. So when you begin your first notes, you are continuing the music out of the silence. Keeping this in mind really changes the way I play.



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I don't agree with it... I think the music starts with the first note still... The silence before it matters, but it's not part of music, but it gives way to music.


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But isn't music a combination of silences and sounds?


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Originally Posted by gooddog
The "nugget" that really stuck with me was when he said (about the Waldstein) that the music doesn't start with the first note. It starts in the silence before you begin playing and ends in the silence after you stop. So when you begin your first notes, you are continuing the music out of the silence. Keeping this in mind really changes the way I play.


This is a profound comment and I agree with this completely. Thank you for posting! Good luck and have fun practicing.

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I don't agree with it... I think the music starts with the first note still... The silence before it matters, but it's not part of music, but it gives way to music.


Why? I'm just curious as to what your thinking is here. I think of it as stepping onto a moving train...the train keeps rolling after we cease to hear the music as well. Music is indefinite.



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Originally Posted by gooddog
The "nugget" that really stuck with me was when he said (about the Waldstein) that the music doesn't start with the first note. It starts in the silence before you begin playing and ends in the silence after you stop. So when you begin your first notes, you are continuing the music out of the silence. Keeping this in mind really changes the way I play.


This is a profound comment and I agree with this completely. Thank you for posting! Good luck and have fun practicing.

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This is an interesting case really. In 'music quickens time' Berenboim develops the idea of openings that emerge out of silence as opposed to those that interrupt silence. The Waldstein could maybe be interpreted either way although I think B would argue that because the opening dynamic is pp, you start off in the realm of silence. But the alternative view is that, quiet though it is, that opening is so insistent, so worried and anticipates such a maelstrom, that it's more of an interruption.

For the record, I'm so-so on Berenboim's playing (who am I to talk though really?) but I find his writing to be very interesting and illuminating. Deeply smart guy.


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I've just come across this clip on YouTube of part of a lecture on the Waldstein given by Alfred Brendel.

I remembered this thread and thought it might be of some interest, though it seems to have been surreptitiously recorded by someone in the audience the sound isn't all that clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9mhaCBZBU&NR=1

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