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#2246050 - 03/13/14 04:42 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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There will never be Another You
https://app.box.com/s/gwg5z8laywn56o4n2tj7


A lot of great vocabulary in there. It sounded really good.


Thanks Bob! And you're the first. No one has ever accused me of having vocabulary. LOL.


Well it doesn't come as a surprise; your playing is very fluid and natural - not at all contrived. I'd love to learn about your approach to learning and integrating new material while still maintaining that "organic" feeling and sound.


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#2246316 - 03/14/14 02:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: Bobpickle]  
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Bobpickle, I appreciate your really nice comments.

It's hard at this stage to characterize an approach since it's constantly evolving and changing. There are many little things learned from teachers that come back to me after awhile and so there's a continual source of tidbits that may not have made sense years ago.

As one pushes off tasks to the subconscious and basics become more automatic, there's more opportunity to feel the music differently.

Since you're listening to live recordings here, these are more difficult environments since there's so much going on during a gig so perhaps these are not necessarily the best indicators of performance.

In any case, it is safe to say that however good or bad my playing demonstrates, it clearly does not come from external vocabulary in a conscious manner. It comes from me. My main teacher for many years was not one to encourage cliche licks typical of Bebop. His comment to me would be that he would be personally embarrassed to sound use a lick.

Given that, I had a complete absence of external influence on vocabulary other than from listening and doing a few transcriptions. However, having said that, I work on vocabulary on my own and I do recognize how to construct a Bebop lick, though it will not come to me mechanically. I'd have to hear it in my head. Lots of work to do here.

The approach that I'd like to take from here is to woodshed starting a motif and then try to building on it. If I can LISTEN to what's coming out well, I think it would improve what I do greatly. This style of practicing I think will develop my own sound and not be like anyone else.

Not there yet though.

In general, my choices are guided by the harmony though I'm learning to go way beyond that on certain tunes I know well. There are also phrasing and rhythmic influences from others that affect my lines. These influences are not likely to be from Bebop players.

Anyway, this is just a starting point. If there's anything specific you want to ask, please do so.


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#2246914 - 03/15/14 10:15 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Jazzwee - whatever your approach is , it is working. Having listened on and off to your playing for the last few years ( since joining the forum )your progress has been continual and I must say your recent recordings are very impressive.I can only congratulate you, you must put a lot of hard work into practice, all that live playing can't hurt either. I find your journey very inspiring.

#2247241 - 03/15/14 11:29 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Jazztpt, wow, coming from you that's just special. Thank you so much. I think the constant gigging is really helping. And the listening after the gigging to correct mistakes. I think too that as one progresses one gets even more critical so sometimes it's hard to notice improvement unless one listens to an old recording. So thank for noticing what I haven't

I think very soon, I'm going to step into the higher level jam sessions with better players. I need to feel failure and pressure more. smile It's the stress of gigs and trying new things that really cause jumps in progress.


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#2249238 - 03/20/14 04:25 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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#2249498 - 03/20/14 02:34 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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It's great hearing your playing Jazzwee!

Here's my take of this weeks "assignment" for the FaceBook group Jam of the Week; this week it's Softly, as in a morning sunrise.


#2249528 - 03/20/14 03:20 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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I'll say it again Chris, really nice job on Softly. I'm hoping to wrap mine up tonight.

#2249607 - 03/20/14 05:55 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: knotty]  
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Originally Posted by knotty
I'll say it again Chris, really nice job on Softly. I'm hoping to wrap mine up tonight.
Thanks Knotty. I'm looking forward to yours.

#2249816 - 03/21/14 04:58 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Well done Chris. I really like the Paul Bley space and "across the changes", the Fred Hersch LH movement, and the Chris Bell lyricism.

#2249823 - 03/21/14 05:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: custard apple]  
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Originally Posted by custard apple
Well done Chris. I really like the Paul Bley space and "across the changes", the Fred Hersch LH movement, and the Chris Bell lyricism.
laugh Thanks Custard.

#2249962 - 03/21/14 01:13 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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#2250334 - 03/22/14 06:21 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Wow Knotty. Great growl, groove and joke hehe.

#2250540 - 03/22/14 03:28 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Thanks Cus. The joke isn't mine :-)
I played 2 licks/quotes in there, anyone can tell what they are?


#2250823 - 03/23/14 06:31 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: knotty]  
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Dunno. Clues please.

#2252966 - 03/27/14 11:39 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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This weeks Jam of the Week challenge: C-blues with Bird changes.
Turned into C-not-so-blues, Bach, Evans changes.


#2253395 - 03/28/14 06:25 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]  
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Clever stuff Chris. I love the Bill Evans sound.

#2253418 - 03/28/14 09:06 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Chris and I see each other on the other side, but for those not on fb (you know who you are wink )

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152335524061178&set=o.558429457587216

#2253807 - 03/29/14 03:04 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: knotty]  
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Originally Posted by knotty
but for those not on fb (you know who you are wink )



hahaha, you're not talking about me, are you ?

You could submit this to get into the Byron Bay Blues Festival next year.

#2254541 - 03/30/14 10:20 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee
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hey guys, just messing around and recorded some songs on my keyboard. Sound quality and performance sucks because I can't get good control out of my keys..but I got no mic for proper recording.

well, here's a ballad I like: https://app.box.com/s/yz12p7xklmd96ugjs60m


Beautiful Wind. I know this song. I've played it with singers. Get yourself a Zoom so we can enjoy more of your music and beautiful piano tone.


hey wee, thanks so much. It's a great song. You know me, I'm not much for accompanying singers! I like the melody alot.

Just listened to your "There will never be another you"...wonderful playing. that classic, swingin' jazz sound we all love. Was that an acoustic piano or digital? It sounds acoustic...

keep it up! will try to post more soon.

#2256323 - 04/03/14 12:29 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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So this Jam-of-the-Week I choose Coltrane's Satellite to play a solo chorus over.
Tricky . . .


#2256650 - 04/04/14 05:58 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Seems very hard Chris. Well done for learning such a complex tune in one week and handling all those chord changes. Woo !

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Originally Posted by custard apple
Seems very hard Chris. Well done for learning such a complex tune in one week and handling all those chord changes. Woo !
Thanks Custard! It's fun trying to work something out playing solo piano . .

#2256781 - 04/04/14 01:48 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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It's the best

#2256782 - 04/04/14 01:56 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: knotty]  
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Originally Posted by knotty
It's the best
:-D

#2256847 - 04/04/14 05:28 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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#2257056 - 04/05/14 06:55 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hey Knots
Fun painting, proverb and playing.

#2257064 - 04/05/14 07:28 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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I'm glad you enjoyed it cus.

#2257427 - 04/06/14 12:07 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Something from Thursday...

Giant Steps
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#2257572 - 04/06/14 10:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Chris & Knotty - two interesting and different versions of Satellite, don't know this one for some reason but another of Coltrane's Giant Steps type tunes. Hard.

Jazzwee - Stunning playing on Giant Steps, hard changes to say the least and you fly through them.


#2257584 - 04/06/14 11:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Fellow Jazzers:

I am looking for some advice. I have just taken early retirement and naturally I now have more time to play the piano smile

In fact I have time to do some practice, but the question is what should I practice.
I have been playing for 38+ years but in that time I have mainly just played through standards, or used the piano to compose tunes or do a bit of arranging - arrangers piano it used to be called.
Having said that, since I joined this forum I have been working on the actual piano playing side a a bit more but I really feel like I want to go further. You guys inspire me.

I am even thinking of trying to find somewhere to play , which is a daunting prospect to me as I have only played the piano in public twice and both times was way back in 1977 eek

So if I am going to take that plunge I need to be prepared.
I do have ideas of what I need to do but I would be interested to hear from the group.
For instance what is the "must have" repertoire that every jazz piano player should know?

I am not going to go down the teacher route at this point but all suggestions would be welcome and appreciated.

Cheers



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