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#2257789 - 04/06/14 06:37 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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JW,

Great job on Giant Steps. I could hear the changes clearly. Could use more keyboard volume.

tpt,
I didn't know Satellite either until this week. It's the same changes as giant steps, but applied to How high the moon. So it moves to 2 different keys. These coltrane tunes all follow the same kind of major 3rd recipe, yet all present their own set of challenges. And then you have to find out what you want it to sound like.

Regarding your question. I have a list of tunes I've memorized that are most often called in DC jam sessions.
When a tune is called ahead of time, I make an effort to memorize it, at least the changes.
I'm happy to share that list.

Blue Bossa, Autumn Leaves, Days of Wine and Roses, All the things you are, Out of Nowhere are all good tunes to start memorizing.

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#2257911 - 04/06/14 11:25 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazztpt]  
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Originally Posted by jazztpt
Fellow Jazzers:

I am looking for some advice. I have just taken early retirement and naturally I now have more time to play the piano smile

In fact I have time to do some practice, but the question is what should I practice.
I have been playing for 38+ years but in that time I have mainly just played through standards, or used the piano to compose tunes or do a bit of arranging - arrangers piano it used to be called.
Having said that, since I joined this forum I have been working on the actual piano playing side a a bit more but I really feel like I want to go further. You guys inspire me.

I am even thinking of trying to find somewhere to play , which is a daunting prospect to me as I have only played the piano in public twice and both times was way back in 1977 eek

So if I am going to take that plunge I need to be prepared.
I do have ideas of what I need to do but I would be interested to hear from the group.
For instance what is the "must have" repertoire that every jazz piano player should know?

I am not going to go down the teacher route at this point but all suggestions would be welcome and appreciated.

Cheers




jazztpt, you're such an impressive player already and you're able to make it up on the fly it seems, so I think that's enough to start as far as solo piano.

Of course it's a different strategy when you do more combo like I do. There's a different focus and it becomes more about practicing interaction and ears.

Have you figured out what performance aspect you want to focus on or jazz style?

I personally have more fun with a band setting and jam sessions. The reason is that solo piano is frustrating due to being relegated to the background. When in a combo, especially the kind I'm in where people come to watch us specifically, and we are not background music, it's such a special kind of feeling.





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#2257915 - 04/06/14 11:34 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Not familiar with Satellite but do hear the Giant Steps sounding changes in there. Both of you guys did great!


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#2257998 - 04/07/14 05:56 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Hi JW
That was cool you could solo for so long.
Maybe you could have placed your Zoom further from the drums.
I thought your articulation when you restated the head was very nice and I liked your outro.
Seems like it was a fun night.

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#2258192 - 04/07/14 02:11 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Knotty , Jazzwee - thanks for your replies.

My biggest problem is actually getting the courage up to have a go in public plus there are not too many places that play "modern jazz" where I am , it's not really a big part of the culture here.
I am in the wrong country in the wrong era, I should have been born 30 years earlier than I was :-)

Anyway , I am going to work at it a bit and see what happens.

And thanks Jazzwee for your compliment though I don't feel that way myself in any respect.


#2258458 - 04/08/14 01:03 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazztpt]  
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Originally Posted by jazztpt
For instance what is the "must have" repertoire that every jazz piano player should know?


I think the ability to learn new material quickly and/or sight-read charts is probably more valuable than a deep pocket of memorized tunes, though that said, the two kind of go hand-in-hand. Here's a list by Mark Levine that I keep bookmarked: http://www.phildegreg.com/pdf/Levine%20repertoire%20list.pdf


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#2258687 - 04/08/14 01:52 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Many thanks bobpickle - that will keep me busy.

#2258834 - 04/08/14 08:15 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: KlinkKlonk]  
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Hey guys..and gals. Would anyone happen to own this Kenny Barron book ?
http://www.henry-lemoine.com/fr/catalogue/fiche/28817

If so, I'm assuming it's in English ? I see Fred Hersch wrote the Forward, so again assuming it's an English based translation even though the Publisher is French. I wrote both the author & publisher regarding this but haven't heard back.

Long time KB fan here. Have many of his transcriptions...RH and changes only though. This looks like much more. Not an inexpensive publication so wondering if anyone had it or had heard about it.

Also wondering if there's anywhere in the US to order it from.

Thanks.


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#2258838 - 04/08/14 08:26 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: Dave Ferris]  
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The Kenny Baron book is GREAT. Well worth having.

#2258841 - 04/08/14 08:32 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: Mark Polishook]  
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Thanks Mark. So it is in English ?


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#2258934 - 04/09/14 01:54 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: custard apple]  
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Originally Posted by custard apple
Hi JW
That was cool you could solo for so long.
Maybe you could have placed your Zoom further from the drums.
I thought your articulation when you restated the head was very nice and I liked your outro.
Seems like it was a fun night.


Thanks Cus! (and Knotty).

The place is so small that the Zoom has to be behind me pointing at the ceiling. No other option. If I put it in front of me, the audience will smack it with a drink. I am so close to the audience that I could probably high-five them. LOL. So hopefully the sound is heard better live but I have to live with the limitations on the recordings.



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#2258955 - 04/09/14 03:50 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Dave, it's in English and French - I don't have it close by at the moment & I forget if it's French and English or 2 different eds. Either way the text is minimal and not all that essential. The transcriptions are absolutely first-rate. It's a great book ...one of those things where you play through a few pages and pick up 19 new ideas!

#2259243 - 04/09/14 05:29 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Changing subjects, a question about Freddie Freeloader. In the head, the first time through, the last two bars are Ab7, but the second time through the last two bars are Bb7.

What do people do when soloing? To my ears, all of the soloist on the original recording use Ab7 for the last two bars; I don't hear any Bb7.

#2259250 - 04/09/14 05:38 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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According to KoB this is the chords for the solos:
Bb7 | | | |Eb7 | |Bb7 | |F7 | Eb7 | Ab7 | ||



#2259255 - 04/09/14 05:58 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Not sure what the KoB reference is (listening to the CD?), but that's consistent with what I'm hearing in the CD.

#2259270 - 04/09/14 06:38 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Looking at the score. (which is why its consistent with the cd).
:-)

#2259603 - 04/10/14 09:55 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Thanks chris. Frankly, the head is kind of blah for a piano trio, but my bass player wants to play the tune. I also enjoy soloing on a medium to slow tempo blues, so that part is O.K. Years ago I learned Wynton Kelly's solo (from a transcription, not my own) and it's a classic.

#2260622 - 04/12/14 09:24 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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This weeks Jam of the Week. "What is this thing called love, with a bit of Fifth House".


#2260936 - 04/13/14 06:20 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]  
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Great co-ordination Chris, nice left hand movement.

#2260970 - 04/13/14 08:57 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: custard apple]  
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Originally Posted by custard apple
Great co-ordination Chris, nice left hand movement.

Thanks Custard. Hand co-ordination is something that I'm working on . . .

#2262925 - 04/17/14 03:44 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Falling Grace
https://app.box.com/s/ibogoil9m51b4sfb8o69

Sorry, such a poor recording. Can't hardly hear the piano.

Anyway, it is an uptempo version of a very difficult tune. Had a little train wreck at the head so I just cut it off.


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#2262982 - 04/17/14 09:27 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee
Anyway, it is an uptempo version of a very difficult tune. Had a little train wreck at the head so I just cut it off.
Not that much of a wreck. smile Despite it's a difficult tune you have some nice lines in there . . . this arrangement might sound a tad better with a Rhodes.

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So this weeks Jam of the Week; ballads. You don't know what love is, is my choice:


#2263025 - 04/17/14 10:59 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Originally Posted by jazzwee
Falling Grace
https://app.box.com/s/ibogoil9m51b4sfb8o69

Sorry, such a poor recording. Can't hardly hear the piano.

Anyway, it is an uptempo version of a very difficult tune. Had a little train wreck at the head so I just cut it off.


Sounds great to me Jazzwee, one of those really tricky tunes with an unusual form. No train wreck noticed by me.

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Originally Posted by chrisbell
So this weeks Jam of the Week; ballads. You don't know what love is, is my choice:



Chrisbell
- This is an interesting approach to this tune, I thought it was lovely.

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I hope you don't mind me sharing this - I have been playing this tune for years but have recently been playing about with it , adding some chords here and there and working out the skeleton of the arrangement.

Here's a solo version of Alfie https://app.box.com/s/vfoqeei5p747qdjf878o

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Originally Posted by jazztpt
I hope you don't mind me sharing this - I have been playing this tune for years but have recently been playing about with it , adding some chords here and there and working out the skeleton of the arrangement.

Here's a solo version of Alfie https://app.box.com/s/vfoqeei5p747qdjf878o


So envious of your sound. It's so refined. I hope I don't have to wait 38 years for that kind of smoothness. I'll be too old to play.

Dump the digital! You sound too good for that.


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#2263157 - 04/17/14 05:02 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazztpt]  
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Originally Posted by jazztpt
I hope you don't mind me sharing this - I have been playing this tune for years but have recently been playing about with it , adding some chords here and there and working out the skeleton of the arrangement.

Here's a solo version of Alfie https://app.box.com/s/vfoqeei5p747qdjf878o


beautiful!


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#2263239 - 04/17/14 09:41 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazztpt]  
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Originally Posted by jazztpt
I hope you don't mind me sharing this - I have been playing this tune for years but have recently been playing about with it , adding some chords here and there and working out the skeleton of the arrangement.

Here's a solo version of Alfie https://app.box.com/s/vfoqeei5p747qdjf878o


Very nice, jazztpt. Its Elfie isn't it smile ?
Is this an entirely rehearsed arrangement?

Excellent changes and nice arrangement. Sounds great.

#2263406 - 04/18/14 08:35 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]  
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Jazzwee, Bobpickle, Greener.

Thanks for the feedback and listening.

Jazzwee - would love an accoustic (grand) but I have nowhere for it to go unfortunatly.

Greener - 95% pre-rehearsed but that 95% didn't all come out as it should but as it's my arrangment no one knows which bits. All the right notes but not necessarily in the right order.

"Elfie" - stone the crows mate , have you been watching Oliver Twist or sumink ?

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