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How do you do that? #1346888
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My piano tuner can't play a lick. But he can do that little 'up the scale and down' thing real fast. Like he is hitting every key or something. I don't even know what he is doing. I want to be able to do some of those fast little fingery things. How do you learn to do that? And how do you do it? I'm practicing every day for hours and getting pretty good at reading and playing. Just want to 'kick it up' a bit! grin


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: HappyApple] #1346972
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He is playing chromatic scales? Or maybe playing chords really fast?


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: Teodor] #1347073
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I thought chromatic scales, but he didn't cover alot of the keyboard. Stupid question, I guess. I just watched some Youtube videos about chromatic scales and arpeggios. Just nearly seems impossible that I will ever be able to do that.


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: HappyApple] #1347138
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Here's something you might like watching. It's Lola Astanova's warm-up routine, and she is amazing. She even slows it down after playing full speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66PGfcUUyw

Re: How do you do that? [Re: Tiemco] #1347165
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Usually tuners will play chromatic scales. Mine also does some chord progressions to head the tuning with itself and runs through part of a piece.

They get so good at it because they do it all the time smile.


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Do you have a good fingering for the chromatics?

Re: How do you do that? [Re: Tiemco] #1347195
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Originally Posted by Tiemco
Here's something you might like watching. It's Lola Astanova's warm-up routine, and she is amazing. She even slows it down after playing full speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66PGfcUUyw


Hmmm. That seems too fast for a warm-up. She looks like she has a lot of tension in her fingers. She has this weird way of lifting them really high. Watch her playing Chopin Op. 27 No. 2.


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: Piano Again] #1347258
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I agree Piano Again, there's a lot of extraneous movement there.


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: Piano Again] #1347262
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Originally Posted by Piano Again
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Here's something you might like watching. It's Lola Astanova's warm-up routine, and she is amazing. She even slows it down after playing full speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66PGfcUUyw


Hmmm. That seems too fast for a warm-up. She looks like she has a lot of tension in her fingers. She has this weird way of lifting them really high. Watch her playing Chopin Op. 27 No. 2.


I thought the very same thing the first time I'd ever seen her, but, if there WERE a lot of tension she'd never keep that pace for very long and it would come through in her playing (for ex: she'd never get through the Rach 2nd sonata she has posted with what I thought I saw at first). Some pianists simply have odd habits. Look at Horowitz' hand/finger placement. To HEAR him play and then SEE him play you'd never believe what he did was possible with that kind of hand position.



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Re: How do you do that? [Re: stores] #1347308
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I quit. shocked

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Re: How do you do that? [Re: HappyApple] #1347315
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Why?



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Re: How do you do that? [Re: HappyApple] #1347393
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Originally Posted by HappyApple
I quit. shocked


Can I have your piano?


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: Larry Larson] #1347402
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Seriously though, you're a professional photographer, right? Let's say you met a young woman who was interested in learning photography, and she saw your portfolio and said "I quit". What would you tell her? Probably you'd tell her that acquiring skill at photography, or anything else, is a matter of commitment, discipline and willingness to put in some time on a regular basis to learn basic skills. Over time, skill level improves, as does a sense of fulfillment and satisfaction. That's how Lola got where she is, the only difference is that she started earlier than us adult beginners.

I'd never heard of her before, so I'm grateful to this thread for introducing her to me.


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: Larry Larson] #1347419
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Seriously the lady, the very beautiful lady, played a C maj scale in 3rds... I find this rather silly at (very) advanced levels, only because the equivelant in normal language would be, right before giving a speech, or before practicing one, to be on the backroom yelling the alphabet forwards, backwords, loud, soft, in odds, or whatever...

Scales and etudes (although there are etudes of immense beauty) hold the value of practicing something you'll come up later. Czerny didn't wrote all these rather ugly, one could comment, etudes because he felt musical. He decided to find a way to tackle regular piano technique issues via a slightly more musical way than playing HANNON. Scales are a more basic form of etudes... You'll come accross plenty of scales if you keep playing the piano (talking to anyone here), so it makes sense to practice them A LOT!

For warm up I do play a little scales (but much slower), and usually some rather slow pieces (a Bach, maybe a Chopin Mazurka (Nr. 13 is beautiful), etc... I do think that the muscles in our fingers are much much smaller, than those used by athletes, thus while all of us need warm up it doesn't mean we need tons of time at that!

Re: How do you do that? [Re: Nikolas] #1347429
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Nikolas, we human beings do not have any muscles in our fingers. See my post in Curving fingers in the teachers forum

Re: How do you do that? [Re: RonO] #1347432
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RonO...that's an amazing fact. I did not know that. I did a quick internet search and learned that fingers do have small muscles called arrectores pilorum, which attach to hair follicles. Contraction of these muscles causes the hairs to stand on end: "goose bumps". But fundamentally you're right.

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I'm sorry everyone; I was just joking blush Lordy, Lordy I would let this darned computer go before I would let my piano go! Back off Larry! grin


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: stores] #1347588
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Originally Posted by stores
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Originally Posted by Tiemco
Here's something you might like watching. It's Lola Astanova's warm-up routine, and she is amazing. She even slows it down after playing full speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66PGfcUUyw


Hmmm. That seems too fast for a warm-up. She looks like she has a lot of tension in her fingers. She has this weird way of lifting them really high. Watch her playing Chopin Op. 27 No. 2.


I thought the very same thing the first time I'd ever seen her, but, if there WERE a lot of tension she'd never keep that pace for very long and it would come through in her playing (for ex: she'd never get through the Rach 2nd sonata she has posted with what I thought I saw at first). Some pianists simply have odd habits. Look at Horowitz' hand/finger placement. To HEAR him play and then SEE him play you'd never believe what he did was possible with that kind of hand position.


She's young. I think that kind of tension catches up with you eventually.

For example, I was looking for recordings of a piece I had to learn on the cello and came across some videos of a cellist playing it on YouTube. I could see that she had a lot of tension in her shoulders and neck and arms. She sounded okay, though perhaps a bit tight tonewise (though it's hard to tell with YT audio quality). I checked out her website, and sure enough, shortly after she made those videos she developed such severe pain in her back, neck, and shoulders that she had to take two years off of playing. This is someone who was an early talent and had a flourishing career.

I was commenting on the speed of the warmup mainly for the benefit of the OP, but really, imagine if you have ice-cold hands and you try to do what's in that video. That's how people injure themselves.


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Re: How do you do that? [Re: HappyApple] #1347598
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Originally Posted by HappyApple
I'm sorry everyone; I was just joking blush Lordy, Lordy I would let this darned computer go before I would let my piano go! Back off Larry! grin


OK, I'm backed. Sorry for the rather heavy handed attempt at encouragement. I figured you weren't really quitting, you've got the piano bug too deep in your bones.

I was sleepless at 3 A.M. and I spent about an hour watching Lola videos. Boy that girl can play. And such amazing physicality in her playing;check out the very end of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINK...next=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10 Some critics don't like her style, but I think she's cool-- the classical music scene could use some excitement. When I go to classical piano concerts and recitals at the university, I see mostly elderly people. We need more Lolas and Lang Langs to draw in some new blood.


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Originally Posted by Larry Larson
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I'm sorry everyone; I was just joking blush Lordy, Lordy I would let this darned computer go before I would let my piano go! Back off Larry! grin


OK, I'm backed. Sorry for the rather heavy handed attempt at encouragement. I figured you weren't really quitting, you've got the piano bug too deep in your bones.

I was sleepless at 3 A.M. and I spent about an hour watching Lola videos. Boy that girl can play. And such amazing physicality in her playing;check out the very end of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JINK...next=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10 Some critics don't like her style, but I think she's cool-- the classical music scene could use some excitement. When I go to classical piano concerts and recitals at the university, I see mostly elderly people. We need more Lolas and Lang Langs to draw in some new blood.


Please DO throw her into the Lang Lang mix. I think she might actually be MORE pathetic than he is (and he's an abomination). Maybe she'll be the next product of the PR machine that Lang is and will get picked up by DG, since SHOW seems to sell more records than substance. I'm waiting for some university to start offering classes in piano theatrics for those aspiring to concert careers, but have little clue beyond playing notes. I had the chance to see (notice I say SEE and not HEAR) Lang last year for FREE and refused. I WAS tempted, however, to go if only to be able to boo just as loudly as I possibly could and perhaps meet him afterward so I could look him in the eye and simply ask, "Why?"



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