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#1340772 - 01/04/10 06:30 PM The Entertainer!  
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Hi Everyone,

Since I started the Joplin thread here a month ago, I just thought I'd share my latest upload with you.

PS-I'm normally a poster on the adult beginner's forum, because yes, I'm an adult beginner. This was the first Joplin piece that I learned last year, my first full year in my return to piano. smile


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnfz5c_pdA4




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#1340959 - 01/04/10 10:00 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: CebuKid]  
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Very Good, Sir!!!

#1341331 - 01/05/10 12:48 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: NoDisplayName]  
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Well done! Now try something. Play it again but keep your foot off the pedal. Yes, RIGHT off! Put a book or something under it so it won't go down at all. Then it will be a little under-pedalled, instead of massively blurred by over-pedaling.

#1341499 - 01/05/10 03:18 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: Exalted Wombat]  
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Exalted Wombat, yes some others on the ABF stated the same thing - too much pedal, and I admit my version was a little muddy in a few spots. thanks for the tip.

Pedaling technique, since I choose to use pedal in ragtime playing, is something I definitely need to work on, and yes, I do play Ragtime with no pedal sometimes - especially when I'm just practicing.

Further, there are a few schools of thought on Ragtime playing in general. There are some interpreters, like Joshua Rifkin, that use the pedal generously, while others use no pedal and dotted rhythms. I guess it boils to personal preference. I personally like Rifkin's playing the best, so my interpretation was somewhat influenced by his (but of course nowhere near as good as his).



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#1341662 - 01/05/10 05:51 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: Exalted Wombat]  
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Exalted Wombat, here's a more stacatto version (non-pedaled) that I whipped up quickly. Is this the version that you prefer?


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#1342449 - 01/06/10 04:38 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: CebuKid]  
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The Entertainer is the highest level piece in my repetoire--although not polished yet.

I pedal primarily to hold the lower left hand notes so they do not sound too staccato.

I agree on Rifkin--in general, but for "Bethena", listen to Peskanov sometime. Slow and beautiful.

Russ


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Ragtime should never be played fast--Scott Joplin

Repertoire (Ready for Carnegie Hall smile ): Fur Elise; Beethoven Minuet in G; Chopin: Prelude 28-7; Joplin: The Entertainer

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#1342618 - 01/06/10 07:48 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: Russ Roberts]  
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Originally Posted by Russ Roberts
The Entertainer is the highest level piece in my repetoire--although not polished yet.

I pedal primarily to hold the lower left hand notes so they do not sound too staccato.

I agree on Rifkin--in general, but for "Bethena", listen to Peskanov sometime. Slow and beautiful.

Russ


Hi Russ, I am a Rifkin "disciple", and I love the way he plays ragtime...slow and majestic, but again, it's a matter of personal preference. But there are bouncy, stacatto versions out there that are very nice to listen to also. I've had the discussion on the ABF forum, and lots of people prefer "bouncy" and more staccato, and a few liked my "repost" of the bouncy staccato version better. Rifkin has been criticized also for being too slow, leaning on the pedal, and making ragtime sound like a Chopin nocturne. Again, it boils down to personal preference. smile

Based on everyone's feedback, I'm still trying to decide how I'll play my next rag, "The Weeping Willow". I'm experimenting right now, but still months away from finishing.

And yes, I modeled my rendition of "Bethena" after both Peskanov and Randy Kerber, who played this for the Benjamin Button movie. I've listened to both versions hundreds of times before I made my own. I have a few of Peskanov's MP3s also..I think he's one of the great "modern interpreters" of Joplin also.

Like yourself, I'd have to say "Entertainer" was the hardest piece in my repertoire also. The octaves in the 1st and 2nd strains are extremely tough to play cleanly.

Have fun and good luck with it. thumb



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#1345386 - 01/10/10 01:23 AM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: CebuKid]  
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Personally, Cebu, the octaves give me very little problem compared to the final two sections--landing on the correct notes in the left hand keep me making the odd error--even after a couple of years. I have shelved "Bethena" to work on some of the easier Chopin--but will get to it.

Russ


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Ragtime should never be played fast--Scott Joplin

Repertoire (Ready for Carnegie Hall smile ): Fur Elise; Beethoven Minuet in G; Chopin: Prelude 28-7; Joplin: The Entertainer

Polishing: Chopin: Waltz in A minor (Post)

Working: Brahms: Waltz 39-15; Chopin: Albumblatt
#1347095 - 01/11/10 08:10 PM Re: The Entertainer! [Re: Russ Roberts]  
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Originally Posted by Russ Roberts
Personally, Cebu, the octaves give me very little problem compared to the final two sections--landing on the correct notes in the left hand keep me making the odd error--even after a couple of years. I have shelved "Bethena" to work on some of the easier Chopin--but will get to it.

Russ


Hi Russ, the very last "ending" of the C-section was very difficult for me too. It's a big jump from that low-C octave to that A-C-F chord. I'd say the C-section has the most left hand leaps of any, so you're right, accuracy is key here.

Kudos to you for not struggling with the octaves. Most people have the hardest time with the A-section. thumb


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