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#1332151 - 12/23/09 09:08 AM Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110  
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Hello all,

Because I want to look at the P-85 at the piano store I will also look at the Roland F-110 because the price difference is not that big.

Has anyone already experience with the F-110? Sound and feeling?
I certainly will give it a look myself but I'm no expert smile

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#1332157 - 12/23/09 09:19 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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I haven't had a chance to try this instrument since it is very new, but I might get a chance this afternoon.

Sure looks good on paper.

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#1332217 - 12/23/09 10:24 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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Ok,
Will waiting for your opinion smile

It looks also very good IMO

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#1332889 - 12/24/09 08:11 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Nobody already experience with the Roland F 110? smile

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#1332912 - 12/24/09 09:11 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Never got a chance to get to the store to try it.

Perhaps after Christmas.

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#1332942 - 12/24/09 10:13 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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The Roland ad copy says:

128-voice polyphony

The P-85 polyphony is only 64, though manufacturers often play games with this spec. (e.g. 2 voices per note playing for stereo, note on/off is another sample, etc.)

individual stereo multi-samples for every key.

The P-85 is not multi-sampled, and the single sample they have is stretched over three keys. The P85 does well with very limited sample resources, but that's about all you can say about it.

The Roland trounces the Yamaha here (at least on paper, and most likely in real life).

The F110’s 88-key Progressive Hammer Action PHA alpha II keyboard gives you the authentic feel of an acoustic grand, with a weightier touch in the lower registers and a lighter touch in the higher registers.

The P85 I believe also has a graded hammer action keyboard, but not sure how the quality of it compares to the one in the Roland DP. This is something you should demo yourself. Pay particular attention to how far the key needs to return to the rest position before it can be played again - generally the shorter this distance the better it simulates a real piano action. They keys shouldn't feel particularly like they have strong springs under them either - the hammer action should be the dominant feel, particularly when playing the key quickly.

Pedal positions are detected smoothly as well, causing the sound to be shaped in direct response to the depth to which a pedal is pushed...

The P85 can do partial dampering too, but the pedal that comes with it is the switch type (if you buy it without the stand).

The prices I see on-line are $1500 for the Roland (with stand) and $600 for the Yamaha (without stand) - not sure what kind of prices you are seeing at the store.

You might consider the P85 if there are overriding portability issues, otherwise I would strongly suggest you look at other DPs.

Consider they Yamaha P-155 or maybe this Roland (if I could demo it) - for $1500 you are really in a different league than where the P85 is positioned and there are plenty of better choices.

#1332944 - 12/24/09 10:16 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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Well, it has the same keyboard type as the RP 101.
It's keyboard seemed quite good to me, a bit too light but still a little heavier than Yamahas GHS which the P85 has.
The F-110 also has many other sounds and features, and between those two, I would go for the Roland.
Also, you must be able to get it really cheap, or maybe you're looking at an overpriced P85, becouse generally from what I've seen the price difference was always about 300 or 400€.

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Please....try before you buy.

Specs don't always tell the whole story.

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#1332951 - 12/24/09 10:27 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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Surely I will try both at the store.

Oke prices here in the Netherlands (I found):

P85- cheapest: EUR 649 (without stand)
F110- cheapest: EUR 999 (complete with stand and 3 pedals)

I surely want a stand so that makes the P85 more expensive and then you don't have the pedals!
I don't have portable issues.

Thanks smile

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#1332955 - 12/24/09 10:46 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Wow! That's a high price for an older model...EUR 649 without the stand. shocked

What are they thinking?

The Roland is looking better all the time.

Be sure and check out if the action on the F-110 is noisy...there is another thread on here about Roland's clunkiness.

Good luck, and happy Christmas.

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#1332970 - 12/24/09 11:06 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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I also don't know why that price is kept so high for the P-85.

That's why I'm looking for other solutions besides the P-85 for that price.

I will have a look at the other thread.

Thanks and happy Christmass too.

#1332971 - 12/24/09 11:07 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Originally Posted by Rayb
I surely want a stand

Well, not necessarily. You pay a lot for some chipboard and three lame pedals on a cheap plastic bar.

A very nice stand made of metal, with adjustable height and many affordable attachments (3 sheet music rest, speaker shelves, etc.) can be had for around $100 (at least here in the US). Buy it once and use it for every DP you buy afterward.

A custom stands look nice from a distance, but it usually consists of something so poorly made that it should be included free. To me this is just a way to get extra money out of people at the time of sale. I feel like someone got suckered every time I see one.

'X' stands suck by the way, get something with some leg room.

#1332976 - 12/24/09 11:15 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Originally Posted by Rayb
I also don't know why that price is kept so high for the P-85.

That's why I'm looking for other solutions besides the P-85 for that price.

I will have a look at the other thread.

Thanks and happy Christmass too.


The P-85 is a nice piano (I have two of them), but they are asking too much for it.

The stand for the P-85 is pretty good, especially when you add the three pedals...they are anchored firmly.

You could also follow dewster's advice and get a metal stand, and it's good advice, but the metal stand won't look as nice, and you'll be chasing the pedals around the floor.

Looking forward to your impressions on the Roland F-110...I called around, and no one has one near me.

Snazzy

PS...the FP-110 stand looks really nice...be sure the part where the pedals are attached is sturdy....it looks a little frail in the pictures.

PSS...getting a metal stand to use with subsequent pianos is fine, as long as they are designed to go on a separate stand...some aren't.

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#1332997 - 12/24/09 11:57 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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Try the thomann.de website, the F110 is 955€ there.
I mean, if you decide to get one.

^From the pictures it looks like every pedal has it's own adjuster so there really should not be any problems with the pedals.
Also, every Roland pedal I've seen to date was made of metal and really well made.

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#1333023 - 12/24/09 12:38 PM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Vid_w]  
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I know about the stand, but I like the design stands wink

Hmz, I can't find the thread for the clunky sounds with the F-110..
Anyone got a link?

I hope I can try the "piano" this year, but don't expect to much of my impressions, I have never played a piano before except messing around with my Keystation MIDI keyboard.

That thomann site is German so you have the shipping costs..
By the way, for only 50 Euro's more I will buy it here in Amsterdam (not via Internet).

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#1333032 - 12/24/09 12:51 PM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Rayb]  
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Originally Posted by Rayb
I know about the stand, but I like the design stands wink

Hmz, I can't find the thread for the clunky sounds with the F-110..
Anyone got a link?

I hope I can try the "piano" this year, but don't expect to much of my impressions, I have never played a piano before except messing around with my Keystation MIDI keyboard.

That thomann site is German so you have the shipping costs..
By the way, for only 50 Euro's more I will buy it here in Amsterdam (not via Internet).


http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...noise%20when%20pressing.html#Post1330037

You'll find the discussion on noisy Roland actions here.

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#1333038 - 12/24/09 01:01 PM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: snazzyplayer]  
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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
...the metal stand won't look as nice, and you'll be chasing the pedals around the floor.

I think metal stands look fine, particularly the Quik-Lok W550 / On-Stage Stands WS8550 (same thing?), and the Quik-Lok M-91.

Though it is true that the pedal isn't anchored, so you do chase it around a bit. If you place the DP against a wall it isn't such a problem though.

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Originally Posted by Rayb
I also don't know why that price is kept so high for the P-85.

That's why I'm looking for other solutions besides the P-85 for that price.


(Avert your eyes and cover your ears, Snazz.)

Agree 100%. The keys feel good for that price point, but the sounds are fairly lame (IMO), the speakers are too small, the music rest is flimsy, and there is no dedicated line-out.

I really wish Yamaha would update it.

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Beauty is the eye of the beerholder, I suppose, and you could probably drive a nail through the pedal to anchor it to the floor. wink

The metal stands work fine if it's for a studio, or on stage, but they may not look all that nice in some one's living room.

The P-85 needs two adaptors that fit under the keyboard for use on a double brace X-Stand, or a QuikLoc stand. Ask for them if using on anything but the optional factory stand.

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Originally Posted by snazzyplayer
Beauty is the eye of the beerholder, I suppose, and you could probably drive a nail through the pedal to anchor it to the floor. wink


Ha ha!

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Originally Posted by Rayb
Surely I will try both at the store.

Oke prices here in the Netherlands (I found):

P85- cheapest: EUR 649 (without stand)
F110- cheapest: EUR 999 (complete with stand and 3 pedals)


The P-85 with stand and 3 pedals should be about €769 (http://www.musik-schmidt.de/gb-Yamaha-P-85-S-DESIGN-KOMPLETT-SET-.html). And yes, European prices for digital pianos and synths are a total rip-off!


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#1338964 - 01/02/10 01:22 AM Re: Yamaha P-85 or Roland F-110 [Re: Martin C. Doege]  
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Anyone already tried the F-110?

I will tried it next week.
See what I can get for 200 Euro more.

P-85 complete: EUR: 789
F-110: EUR: 999

I have switched some cupboards in my room so I have created a nice liitle piano corner for placing a 88 keys DP smile

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P85 with pedals and stand 670 EUR (593 pounds)

F-110 995 eur.

There will be additional delivery costs to Neederlands though, but still a reasonable option.

And yes those DPs are rip-off priced here in the United States of Europe. Strong euro should mean that imported stuff should be cheaper, but we have all these imaginary taxes to compensate for that.

And while you are in the store you might as well try out the action of Casio PX-X30 series or Korg SP 250.

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Casio Privia PX-130 + VST = quite close to the real thing.
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Hi,

I'm new to these forums and figure I'll throw my 2cents in. I too am on the quest for a 1K (euro) digital piano smile.

Went into the store today and tried the Roland RP 101 (which im told has the same keys as the F110). I then compared this to a Yamaha CLP 320 and I was simply blown away by the difference. In my opinion the Yamaha sound is so much clearer and more like an acoustic piano.. I can find a Yamaha CLP 320 in Holland online for 1.100 euro.

Anyway there I was loving the design of the F110 and now I have fallen hard for the Yamaha sound. If only they had a black version that isnt 300 euro more expensive!!

I can only repeat Snazzy's advice that you see on a lot of these topics. Try before you buy. Try try try, and come share it here! smile

Regards and thanks for these awesome forums!

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Thank you for your comment.

Were you blown away only by the sound or also the keyboard action?
And did you test the sound with headphones?

I will try both before I buy something.
The F110 looks so nice, but if the sound is worser then the P-85, I will go for the P-85.

Or maybe the S31 Arius :p

By the way, the RP 101 is older then the F-110, maybe the sound has improved..

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Both sound and keyboard action felt better to me. More real would be the right description.

Thanks for that info on the rp 101. I still havent gotten my hands on an F110. Lets hope its sounds better. let us know!

Groetjes

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Oh you are also Dutch smile

I will let you know, will test them tomorrow here in Amsterdam.


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