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Re: Just for those totally devoted to Chopin [Re: Mary-Rose] #1334646
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Thanks, Elene, for the link to the Polish TV shows with the Lego piano. If you have some Polish (or French, for part of today's show), the content is quite fine. And the host, Marita Alban Juarez, is a colleague from NIFC. I had no idea she would be such a natural on the screen.

Perhaps someone has posted this here already (forgive the duplication then), but I see there is quite the array of concerts the week of the Chopin Congress:

Warsaw Chopin concerts 22-28 February 2010

And they're really outdoing themselves for the birthday gala:

Gala concerts

Time to book my flights . . .

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Dr. Kallberg: Please have the very best time ever, keep warm and write us (if you will) about your experiences at the Congress. What an honor, and, of course, no one is more deserving than you.

BTW, do you like Polish food?

Kathleen


After playing Chopin, I feel as if I had been weeping over sins that I had never committed, and mourning over tragedies that were not my own." Oscar Wilde, 1891
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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
Dr. Kallberg: Please have the very best time ever, keep warm and write us (if you will) about your experiences at the Congress. What an honor, and, of course, no one is more deserving than you.

Kathleen

My respect to Dr. Kallberg, let me join Kathleen's wishes!

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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch

Welcome Marrissa and Bill. We are very pleased to have you here, and thank you for joining us. Please post when the mood strikes.

Kathleen

Thank you, Kathleen! Nice to meet you all!
As for Chopin's favourite colours… In one of the letters to his friend Julian Fontana (or may be Grzymala, cause I may confuse the letters ) he asks to order for him “szare porty” – “grey trousers”. And he emphasizes that the trousers must be GREY. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the date that letter is marked, when I tried to found it in the web, I failed… But the letter definitely exists, may be some of you will find it? It was one, where Fryderyk also asked to order for him a hat and a black silk jacket. So, I guess he avoided screaming colours in clothes.
By the way, it is interesting that the word he uses for "trousers" - "porty"- is not in use nowadays. They say "spodnie" in Polish.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kallberg


Perhaps someone has posted this here already (forgive the duplication then), but I see there is quite the array of concerts the week of the Chopin Congress:

Warsaw Chopin concerts 22-28 February 2010

And they're really outdoing themselves for the birthday gala:

Gala concerts

Time to book my flights . . .

Jeff Kallberg

The repertory and the pianists are outstanding!

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Originally Posted by Marrissa
“grey trousers”. And he emphasizes that the trousers must be GREY. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the date that letter is marked, when I tried to found- - - - So, I guess he avoided screaming colours in clothes.
By the way, it is interesting that the word he uses for "trousers" - "porty"- is not in use nowadays. They say "spodnie" in Polish.

That's interesing about the word choice. I remember the letter. He asked that the waistcoat be black with a small tasteful pattern, perhaps in gold. I also remember reading an acquaintance of his once described him as wearing a "royal blue mantle."


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Marrissa: I think gray is so classy and has always been my favorite color for clothes. May I add that it's wonderful to have a native Polish speaker with us. laugh We certainly can learn a lot from you. thumb

For those who can't make it to Warsaw for the Chopin competition in 2010, Miami is having its own Chopin competition in February. Sort of a pre-competition. Oh, so much warmer. The winner gets 20 grand and automatically goes on to Warsaw. The top 5 or 6 will tour the US and Europe throughout the year, playing Chopin. WOW!! yippie

Boy, I am really tempted, especially looking at all this snow from my window. Oooppppsss, I mean to attend to listen, not to play (ha).

I wonder if Liszt Addict has ever entered this one, since he lives in FL.

Anyone else interested?
Kathleen


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Thanks Kathleen. It will be a splendid trip, I'm sure. (And I've booked my flights, after much too-ing and fro-ing; an odder itinerary than usual since I have to go via Chicago to attend the retirement bash for my former dissertation adviser.)

I love Polish food! My current favorite restaurant is "U Kucharzy" in the old Europeskiej hotel. Expensive but worth it for its rethinkings of classics of Polish cuisine. But I'm just as happy with street food: a slice of bread, smeared with homemade lard (better than it sounds!) and a piece of homemade pickle sends me into transports.

Jeff Kallberg

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Grey is classy, I love it too. My favourite winter jumper is grey, so is my favourite jacket, and I also bought a grey cockatiel.... smile



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OMG, Dr. Kallberg! That slice of bread (dark rye) spread with lard (and onion and lots of salt) was my grandpa's idea of heaven. He lived to be 84, so all that fat and salt didn't bother him one bit. And, of course, a Polish pickle. Even my sensitive stomach allows me to partake that one. My aunt used to make her own horseradish wearing a gas mask that her son bought for her at an Army and Navy store. Now that was a sight not to be forgotten. shocked

I'm glad that you finally got your reservations complete. I hope some of the snow will melt and the temperature rise to well above zero when you get to Chicago. Otherwise you might think the plane made a wrong turn and landed you in Siberia.

My very best to you,
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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
I wonder if Liszt Addict has ever entered this one, since he lives in FL.


That competition is for the pro or soon-to-be pro.

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"My aunt used to make her own horseradish wearing a gas mask..."

Just when you thought you'd heard everything. What a little gem--- I wonder if Julia Child knew?


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Got a question for Dr Kallberg or anyone else who knows: when was 10/12 nicknamed the Revolutionary Etude, and by whom? (and Winter Wind for that matter) I'm specifically wondering whether it's possible Chopin could've ever heard his work referred to by these names.


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Didn't Von Bulow (sp??) do that? Or was it just the preludes? Just a wild guess.

Kathleen


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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
Didn't Von Bulow (sp??) do that? Or was it just the preludes? Just a wild guess.

Kathleen

The Preludes for sure, don't know about the Etudes


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This from Wiki...

Chopin named very few of his own compositions, almost always preferring to refer to them by opus and number. His etudes were no exception. However, due to their passionate, Chopin-esque nature, many of the etudes have nicknames given either by enthusiastic editors or zealous fans. These programmatic titles have been noted where they are present. Again, it is important to note that Chopin himself did not come up with any of these titles, and most likely even disapproved of them.

Here is the site:
http://www.ourchopin.com/analysis/etude.html
which I found interesting for those who might be considering taking on any of these treasures. I am light years away from this task, however.

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O HAPPY DAY! laugh

My sister has just informed me that there is going to be a 5-1/2 hour all-Chopin concert at the University of Chicago on March 1. And it's free! WE ARE GOING!!

Kathleen


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If he most likely would have disapproved of them, is it fair to use those titles? Particularly considering amateurs might think he named them....



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I hope there will be something like that here too!



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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
If he most likely would have disapproved of them, is it fair to use those titles? Particularly considering amateurs might think he named them....

I'm simply trying to find out if those nicknames were in use during his lifetime.


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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
If he most likely would have disapproved of them, is it fair to use those titles? Particularly considering amateurs might think he named them....

I'm simply trying to find out if those nicknames were in use during his lifetime.


Thank you, Frycek!



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Originally Posted by -Frycek
Got a question for Dr Kallberg or anyone else who knows: when was 10/12 nicknamed the Revolutionary Etude, and by whom? (and Winter Wind for that matter) I'm specifically wondering whether it's possible Chopin could've ever heard his work referred to by these names.

What an interesting question! and what is more interesting, it emerged in my head some days ago too!
So I started searching in the Polish and Russian web-pages. Poles don't write about the titel anything:) But
according to the info from Alexander Maykapar's page (Alexander Maykapar is the author of more than eighty works on the history of music, the art of performance and musical iconography) the epithet "Revolutionary" was added by Ferenz Liszt. But when? It is not mentioned...

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Originally Posted by loveschopintoomuch
O HAPPY DAY! laugh

My sister has just informed me that there is going to be a 5-1/2 hour all-Chopin concert at the University of Chicago on March 1. And it's free! WE ARE GOING!!

Kathleen

congratulations, Kathleen! It must be a great event:)

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A few names might have been in use if some of the editors named them. So...maybe.

Ksthleen


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Let's see what Frycek finds out... smile



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Originally Posted by Marrissa
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according to the info from Alexander Maykapar's page (Alexander Maykapar is the author of more than eighty works on the history of music, the art of performance and musical iconography) the epithet "Revolutionary" was added by Ferenz Liszt. But when? It is not mentioned...


That's very interesting. I can pretty much guarantee it wasn't in Chopin's hearing. I feel like 10/12 does probably contain a lot of fury and angst about the November Uprising. It would be interesting to know whether Chopin would've denied the name if he'd been around to hear it, or whether he'd have let it go because it was true.


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Great to see all the activity going on here!

I don't think I would join in with the lard-on-bread–– point me toward the haluski z kapusta though. Of course I can't call somebody else's food weird while sitting here at an Ayurvedic restaurant eating, would you believe, gluten-free cranberry-spinach lasagna with butternut squash bechamel. Oddest thing I've had in quite a while, and surprisingly delicious, though too fatty for me.

I do wish that I could be a fly on the wall during the discussions of Jeff and the other musicologists in Warsaw.

I don't know who applied the nicknames to those etudes. I find myself using them even though I know better. Some, like "Revolutionary," really do fit, and once the image is in one's mind, it tends to stick.

If I remember correctly, there were other names put on some of the pieces by British publishers, which didn't stick and aren't being used today-- Chopin mentioned them in a letter. The English ladies were saying things like, "Play me your 'Bells.'"

About the colors, there was also his dove-grey wallpaper, which seems to me like it would be soothing but also perhaps a bit depressing. Probably it made a good background for the flowers he liked to keep around. I always associate grey with him, though in the portraits he's usually wearing black (I think...).

(I am attracted to grey clothing but it doesn't look good on me.)

I hadn't heard of him owning a royal blue mantle. Very intriguing. I can think of at least three examples of people independently perceiving him in a dark blue or purple cloak in recent times, but I didn't know he actually had anything like that. (Also one instance of a purple waistcoat and one instance of a midnight blue one.) Perhaps it was a favorite item of his, and it stuck to his image somehow. I imagine him wearing it to the opera.

Mme. Sand wrote something about him preparing for a concert and dithering over what to wear, finally borrowing a suit-- was it beige or light blue? Memory fails. Not that it matters.

An item of Chopin's clothing that remains in the world is a dark blue waistcoat with some small bird's-eye type of pattern on it. Some years ago the pianist Byron Janis had a photo taken holding this waistcoat up in front of his own body. It was a little off-putting. This had to do with his discovery of some Chopin manuscript; the published version of it included pictures. I don't remember what the piece was, but I don't think it changed anything materially for players.

Elene

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Chopin was wearing the blue mantle in the last year of his life. He visited his publisher's place of business but didn't get out of the carriage. The publisher came out to him. He said Chopin threw the mantle to one side to show him how swollen his legs were.


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What a poignant image.

Elene

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One of my mom's old friends came to her funeral, but was unable to get out of the car to come in--- too frozen-up with arthritis. The gesture of respect must have cost him dearly. It was very deeply touching; the more as the impact of the moment has receded and the clarity has grown greater.

I'm sure the impact was not lost on Chopin's publisher. These things really mean a lot.


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