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OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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There's a separate place for them: "Member Recordings." Please use it.

Posting them here occasionally is fine (IMO). What's going on presently is not (IMO).

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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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Agreed.
Although.... I'm not sure why posting them here is fine at all, unless the section specifically designated for this were closed, which maybe it should be, because it's mostly ignored.

Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
Mark_C #1334760 12/27/09 03:52 PM
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As a new member I would like to know if I can post my previously unreleased recordings of Scarbo, Liszt's Spanish Rhapsody, Winter Wind Etude, and Prokofiev's 2nd Concerto.

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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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Tradition seems to show that people - even those interested in listening to others' recordings - don't always remember to visit the Members' Recordings section, but "hang out" here regularly. The other advantage of posting a recording here is that because of the greater frequency of visits to this forum, more discussion is generated by posting a recording here.

I, for one - and not just because I've done it myself - have no objection to recordings being posted here for the interest and debate they will sometimes inspire.

What I have done on occasion, after one of my recording posts has died a natural death here, is to post it in Member Recordings as sort of an archive record of that particular attempt.

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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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Originally Posted by BruceD
[...]I, for one - and not just because I've done it myself - have no objection to recordings being posted here for the interest and debate they will sometimes inspire....

Then what should the limitation be, if any? Do you think it's okay for one single member to post a half-dozen threads at a time of his own recordings? Perhaps the Prodigious Poster could start a separate thread for each individual Chopin prelude rather than roll those recordings into one; so much the better for inspired debate! smile

It's a slippery slope. If there are no restrictions on posting recordings here, an unlimited number of recording threads could be started by an indeterminate number of posters at any time. All actual discussion about other topics would be eclipsed completely (which, given the current state of affairs on this board, might admittedly not be a bad thing).

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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
pianoloverus #1334779 12/27/09 04:32 PM
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This is a common problem. A system is working fine and then one or a small number of people behave outside the commonly accepted norm. And I think BruceD's post gives the flavor of the social norm here. When that happens, do you write a constitution to solve the problem? Do you forbid behavior that was once accepted and even welcomed because a small number of people abuse the norm? I don't have an answer, but I thought I would post the issue as I see it.

Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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Originally Posted by BruceD
....The other advantage of posting a recording here is that because of the greater frequency of visits to this forum, more discussion is generated by posting a recording here.....

IMO that's pretty close to the very definition of 'abuse' (mildly speaking) of a section of an internet site: Posting something where it doesn't properly belong, just because it'll get more attention there.

People do that all the time on internet sites in general, but hardly at all on this site except for this thing. The most common thing on sites in general is putting political things in the "main" section rather than under "Off Topic." Our thing isn't anywhere comparable to that, but IMO it's the same principle.

Regarding the idea that people just don't look at the "Member Recordings" section, this is why. It's because so many people just keep putting their recordings "here," because it'll get more attention. It becomes a self-fulfilling vicious circle.

And meanwhile, us schmucks who follow the site's guideline properly get less views. ha

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Originally Posted by sotto voce
Originally Posted by BruceD
[...]I, for one - and not just because I've done it myself - have no objection to recordings being posted here for the interest and debate they will sometimes inspire....

Then what should the limitation be, if any? Do you think it's okay for one single member to post a half-dozen threads at a time of his own recordings? Perhaps the Prodigious Poster could start a separate thread for each individual Chopin prelude rather than roll those recordings into one; so much the better for inspired debate! smile

It's a slippery slope. If there are no restrictions on posting recordings here, an unlimited number of recording threads could be started by an indeterminate number of posters at any time. All actual discussion about other topics would be eclipsed completely (which, given the current state of affairs on this board, might admittedly not be a bad thing).

Steven


Perhaps we should try to patiently weather the current "storm" and, if things don't return to what is considered normal, then agitate for change or limitations. Looking at this particular forum for more than nine years, I see that the current situation seems to be an anomaly. Let's not react too quickly.

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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
BruceD #1334787 12/27/09 04:46 PM
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Well, then the people who follow the guideline properly will keep being penalized.

Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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On the adult beginners forum there is a monthly "piano bar" thread. Maybe the non-beginners that feel the need to post somewhere more high traffic than the member recordings section could start something similar here so that at least the recordings wouldn't take up so much of the page. Unless someone has a specific question about the way they are playing something (fingering, etc.) it really doesn't belong here. I don't care really personally, but putting it where it belongs or at least condensing it down would be the polite thing to do.


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Re: OT request: don't clutter this forum with member recordings
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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
.....When that happens, do you write a constitution to solve the problem?.....

The forum has different sections, each of which is succinctly and pretty clearly marked with its purpose and boundaries.
(With the possible exception of "Adult Beginners Forum.") ha

Originally Posted by BruceD
......What I have done on occasion, after one of my recording posts has died a natural death here, is to post it in Member Recordings as sort of an archive record.


OK then, how about this.
So as not to penalize us people ("schmucks," I called us) who have stupidly followed the guideline, how about re-defining and re-labeling the "Member Recordings" section as being just what you said, with the understanding that we're supposed to initially put our recordings in one of these main sections?
(Which I would suggest could be either "Pianist Corner" or "Adult Beginners Forum," according to the level that each person considers himself/herself to be.)

Unless it is decided that putting our recordings in this section is to be universally frowned upon, consider that a proposal. smile

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Another suggestion:
If the Member Recordings board was in the main forums section rather than down in the "Fun Stuff" section perhaps it would get more attention. I sometimes just forget it's there.



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Originally Posted by MarkCannon
Originally Posted by BruceD
....The other advantage of posting a recording here is that because of the greater frequency of visits to this forum, more discussion is generated by posting a recording here.....

IMO that's pretty close to the very definition of 'abuse' (mildly speaking) of a section of an internet site: Posting something where it doesn't properly belong, just because it'll get more attention there. . . .

I was thinking of it as a form of spam, which in turn is a form of abuse. Objectively, it should rankle no matter who the offender is; when it's someone who has so overestimated his abilities and the obligation of readers to get off their "backsides" and provide feedback that's amenable to him (in form, at least, if not in content), it's particularly vexing.

Originally Posted by MarkCannon
Regarding the idea that people just don't look at the "Member Recordings" section, this is why. It's because so many people just keep putting their recordings "here," because it'll get more attention. It becomes a self-fulfilling vicious circle.

Suggestions have been made in the past to enhance the visibility of the Member Recordings section—to no avail. Now that last spring's upgrade in the board's interface allows for subforums to be created for any main forum, perhaps the idea should be explored of creating individual areas for member recordings as subforums in each of the various member areas. I have no idea whether it would increase prominence, participation or traffic—but maybe it's worth a shot.

FWIW, I do understand Bruce's appeal for patience until equilibrium naturally reestablishes itself. Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later. smile

Steven

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Mark,

There are no guidelines. You are not being abused because someone posts recordings here. This is all that is said in the introduction to this forum:

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Feel free to talk about technique, performance, piano pieces, composers, competitions, etc.


This does not forbid posting of recordings. In fact, posting of one's recordings can help stimulate discussions of technique, piano pieces, composers, competitions, etc.!

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Perhaps we should try to patiently weather the current "storm"....


Well-put advice. As long as we're on the topic, though, I do want to throw out one concrete suggestion: that Member Recordings be placed in the "Our Most Popular Forums" section. Currently it's banished to "Fun Stuff! - Parties, Tours, Projects & More...". Bringing it in the fold might encourage its use without upsetting things too much.

I don't know who has the power to do this.

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This is one of those grey areas that's always a tough call. I have the ability to move threads (and have in the past) when they belong in the recordings forum.

We're very close to my threshold. I actually considered moving threads this morning, but things seem a little volatile around here lately, so I chose not to rock the boat. smile

Plus, I thought it brought up an interesting meta-discussion on posting recordings.

My wife and I have discussed this regarding YouTube in the past. On one hand, it's cool that people can share their artistic efforts with others - for advice, encouragement, or whatever reason. On the other hand, the result is that there's an enormous amount of garbage on YouTube that's rather embarrassing. I'll often watch videos and think to myself "Are you kidding? Is THAT really the impression you want to give to people?"


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Originally Posted by currawong
Another suggestion:
If the Member Recordings board was in the main forums section rather than down in the "Fun Stuff" section perhaps it would get more attention. I sometimes just forget it's there.

I think that works.

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Originally Posted by Piano*Dad
This is all that is said in the introduction to this forum:
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Feel free to talk about technique, performance, piano pieces, composers, competitions, etc.


This does not forbid posting of recordings....

.....except that there's a different section which is specifically designated for exactly that.

Look, PianoDad -- YOU have followed it the right way! And that was good.
Of course you would have gotten more views and replies if you had ignored the guidelines..... ha

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Originally Posted by beet31425
[......one concrete suggestion: that Member Recordings be placed in the "Our Most Popular Forums" section. Currently it's banished to "Fun Stuff! - Parties, Tours, Projects & More...". Bringing it in the fold might encourage its use without upsetting things too much.

Yes, as Currawong also said.
And I would add: Coupled with discouragement from putting their recordings elsewhere. (I'm just saying 'discouragement,' not imprisonment.) smile

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I don't know who has the power to do this.

That's an easy one -- "the powers that be," whoever they are. ha

I feel sure that if there's enough of a consensus from us, it'll be done.

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