Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
What's Hot!!
Hurricane Irma & Our Piano Friends!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Tuning a Piano
How to Tune Pianos
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Schumann's 4th Finger Enigma Resolved!
Who's Online Now
50 registered members (anotherscott, barbaram, ando, bennevis, alphonsus, Brometeo, 12 invisible), 1,644 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#1327942 - 12/18/09 12:50 AM Guide to piano grades when picking pieces  
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,203
CebuKid Offline
1000 Post Club Member
CebuKid  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,203
So I'm contemplating what I'll play next in 2010.

I'd love to add another Beethoven piece to my repertoire, "Pathetique Sonata, Movement 2." ..one of my favorites!

Where can I get an info. on what "grade level" this piece is?

Also, what grade level is "Fur Elise?" I've read in a few places that it's ABRSM Grade 7, but some consider it Grade 5.

I am working on "Weeping Willow" right now, and may give Joplin a break after I learn this (my 3rd Joplin piece). Lately, I've had an urge to learn a "classical" piece again.

PS-I've never been tested and don't plan on it, but just need help picking pieces that are within my ability. smirk



YouTube Channel
Scott Joplin Repertoire


Music washes away from the soul
the dust of everyday life.
- Berthold Auerbach


[Linked Image]
(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1327981 - 12/18/09 01:47 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: CebuKid]  
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 796
rustyfingers Offline
500 Post Club Member
rustyfingers  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 796
Massachusetts
Try this thread. I wish it were in the important topics post, as this comes up frequently.

April Thread about graded pieces

Last edited by rustyfingers; 12/18/09 01:48 AM.

If I had ever learnt, I should have been a great proficient.
[Linked Image]
#1327987 - 12/18/09 01:57 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: rustyfingers]  
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
ChopinAddict Offline
6000 Post Club Member
ChopinAddict  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
Land of the never-ending music
I think I am more advanced than I thought after downloading the file in the other thread... Thanks for the link! laugh



[Linked Image]

Music is my best friend.


#1328035 - 12/18/09 03:35 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: ChopinAddict]  
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
ChopinAddict Offline
6000 Post Club Member
ChopinAddict  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
Land of the never-ending music
Tchaikowsky's Seasons are grade 8? I would have thought 5.



[Linked Image]

Music is my best friend.


(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#1328102 - 12/18/09 08:34 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: ChopinAddict]  
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,462
DragonPianoPlayer Offline
2000 Post Club Member
DragonPianoPlayer  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,462
Denver, CO
Is that where that spreadsheet originally came from - pianostreet.com?

It is one reference. We've noticed several inconsistencies within it. For example Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and the Hammerklavier Sonata are both rated grade 8.

I'd only consider the relative difficulty of different pieces, and if they are both listed as grade 8 on this scale then refer to other references for more detail. There is no one universal standard, so you can't compare these numbers with other grading scales.

Other references are:
"The Pianist's Guide to Standard Teaching and Performance Literature" by Jane Magrath. This book ranks pieces from 1 to 10. These levels stop before you get to Bach's WTC or any but the easiest Beethoven Sontatas. The Season's are level 10 on this scale. Fur Elise is level 7

"Guide to Pianist's Repertoire" by Robert Hinson (was available through this link http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/iol/ ) Rates The Seasons as M-D (medium difficult). Fur Elise is Int (intermediate).

"A Practical Guide to Solo Piano Music" by Trevor Barnard and Elizabeth Gutierrez. Picks up where the other books leave off - scale is from 1 to 4. 2 is the level of an undergraduate piano major, 3 is the level of an upper division piano major or graduate piano major, 4 is considered virtuoso. They break out The Seasons by piece, most or 1 or 2, September is a 3. Fur Elise is a level 1.

You can also look at the requirements for the exams, such as ABRSM or RCM. Some are available online, others you have to buy the current syllabus.

If you are taking exams, you should follow that exam syllabus.

Finally, some of the published repertoire series are good references. Here's the list of pieces in Keith Snell's Piano Repertoire series:

http://www.kjos.com/pdf/brochures/snell_reper_index.pdf

Rich


[Linked Image] [Linked Image]
#1328466 - 12/18/09 05:07 PM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: DragonPianoPlayer]  
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
ChopinAddict Offline
6000 Post Club Member
ChopinAddict  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
Land of the never-ending music
Thanks for that, Rich.



[Linked Image]

Music is my best friend.


#1328482 - 12/18/09 05:28 PM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: ChopinAddict]  
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
ChopinAddict Offline
6000 Post Club Member
ChopinAddict  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
Land of the never-ending music
This is interesting.... In the first document I downloaded Tchaikowsky's Italian Song was listed as grade 1, which I though was a little bit low if you want to play it well, but I would have ranked it grade 2 maybe. In the new file I just downloaded (Keith Snell's Piano Repertoire series) it is listed as grade 5! And Liszt's Consolation in Db as grade 9. Same as Traumerei by Schumann, just to name a few examples... A little bit too generous in my opinion.... But hey, it makes me feel so good about myself... grin



[Linked Image]

Music is my best friend.


#1328822 - 12/19/09 03:44 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: DragonPianoPlayer]  
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
ChopinAddict Offline
6000 Post Club Member
ChopinAddict  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,451
Land of the never-ending music
Originally Posted by DragonPianoPlayer


"Guide to Pianist's Repertoire" by Robert Hinson (was available through this link http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/iol/ ) Rates The Seasons as M-D (medium difficult). Fur Elise is Int (intermediate).

Rich


Well, that's funny. When I went to that site the book was there but it asked me to create an account, and when I created an account that particular book disappeared from the list, while the others are still there! crazy



[Linked Image]

Music is my best friend.


#1328922 - 12/19/09 10:29 AM Re: Guide to piano grades when picking pieces [Re: ChopinAddict]  
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,039
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Morodiene  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,039
Boynton Beach, FL
That Hinson book is a great resource. However, it doesn't really contain many intermediate level pieces, so it does depend on what you're looking for. Also, I found that some of the pieces aren't graded at all. And of course, there really is no consistency when talking between one teacher or another as to what "level" a piece is. The best thing to do is to look at several resources that discuss the particular piece and see what skill sets you will need in order to play it. If there seem to be too many that you don't already have, then you may want to find a piece that will help you with those skills first.


private piano/voice teacher FT

[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Moderated by  BB Player, casinitaly 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Clavinova CVP 701 vs Celviano AP 650
by VMK. 09/25/17 04:22 AM
VST/External audio interface technical issues
by genuse. 09/24/17 10:22 PM
How can I learn "Never Surrender" by Lionel Yu?
by Piano Master 757. 09/24/17 09:45 PM
removing key cover on Mason Hamlin model 50
by jbclem. 09/24/17 08:10 PM
Women composers I admire
by GillesJ. 09/24/17 08:08 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics182,014
Posts2,659,953
Members88,886
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0