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#1322255 - 12/09/09 11:44 PM New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner  
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So after hitting the big 3-0 I have decided to learn how to play a musical instrument it was either the guitar or piano. Ended up choosing the piano route. I was originally going to get the yamaha p85 but after reading up here I have set my eyes on getting the yamaha p155 at guitar center for $1200 but then I found a used roland fp-7 with stand in mint condition locally for just $1000.
If you were in my position what would you get? Thanks for any inputs.

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#1322262 - 12/09/09 11:57 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: phxal9]  
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phxal9, welcome to the forum.

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I have set my eyes on getting the yamaha p155 at guitar center for $1200...


Using coupon codes, I believe some folks here have managed to purchase the P155 from Music123 for around $960 or so. Check through the post on this forum and you should be able to find the details, if not, I'm sure someone else will provide them in this thread in due course.

Price aside, the question of which instrument to go is really down to you. Play test a few models for a couple of hours (bring a pair of good quality headphones too), and I'm sure you'll eventually find one you prefer.

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#1322336 - 12/10/09 01:43 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: phxal9]  
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Originally Posted by phxal9
So after hitting the big 3-0 I have decided to learn how to play a musical instrument it was either the guitar or piano. Ended up choosing the piano route. I was originally going to get the yamaha p85 but after reading up here I have set my eyes on getting the yamaha p155 at guitar center for $1200 but then I found a used roland fp-7 with stand in mint condition locally for just $1000.
If you were in my position what would you get? Thanks for any inputs.


I just bought a new P155. I think it is the best DP for under $1,000. But I like the FP-7. I think the PHA II keyboard is maybe better and there are more sounds and other features but normally the FP-7 is twice the price of the P155. Getting an FP-7 for less than a P155 changes things. If I had had the money I would be bought an RD700GX the FP-7 would be my second choice. But the P155 is very nice.

Some people prefer the Yamaha sound because they sample a real Yamaha grand piano. But Roland has enough different pianos that you can find one you like or to match the music.

I was one of those who got the $960 deal on the P155. It's real.

While on the subject of good deals. My new pair of AKG K240 headphone just arrived. Sweetwater has them for $99 which is way-cheap for these. I was just using these with the P155. The sound is as if you were not wearing headphones. I think these are the most transparent and accurate headphones made. I've never seen them at this price before.


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#1322343 - 12/10/09 01:51 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: ChrisA]  
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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on deciding to enjoy the piano!
Either would be just fine to start on.

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#1322578 - 12/10/09 12:07 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: ChrisA]  
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Originally Posted by ChrisA
While on the subject of good deals. My new pair of AKG K240 headphone just arrived. Sweetwater has them for $99 which is way-cheap for these. I was just using these with the P155. The sound is as if you were not wearing headphones. I think these are the most transparent and accurate headphones made. I've never seen them at this price before.


You can't go wrong with AKG. I have a pair of K271's (sealed) and they are fantastic.

#1322682 - 12/10/09 02:42 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: dewster]  
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The only problem with the coupon is those sites don't ship Yamaha products to like Canada, which is a shame. I wonder if any Canadian shops will ever price match something like a "coupon".

#1323005 - 12/10/09 11:03 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: KeVan]  
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Thanks for the input guys. Just saw the fp-7 and looks pretty close to new condition not even a year old yet, considering that it cost the owner almost 2k about just almost a year ago I think it's a smoking deal.

How reliable are these digital pianos nowadays? The 3 yr warranty of the new yamaha p155 and coupon discounts if it's still araound is worth considering with my options.
though the fp-7 from what I've gathered is a better DP feature wise and closer to acoustic piano "feel".I guess I'll sleep on it for a few days before making the final decision.

#1323429 - 12/11/09 04:14 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: phxal9]  
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Go for the discount before you buy. Call the dealers.

Altho' I bought a refurbished keyboards, it was with a 45 day return policy.

I would be nervous about buying any keyboard used from a private seller unless it's someone you know. You get zero warranty.

#1323548 - 12/11/09 06:33 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginne [Re: Nikalette]  
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If you're just starting out, buying used has an advantage beyond just the savings. You will be able to recover more of your investment when you decide to sell because:
a) you know how to play and want something different/better
or
b) you lost interest.

hopefully a)


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#1323731 - 12/12/09 12:07 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: phxal9]  
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Hi here are my two cents:
If you are an absolute beginner AND money is no object, buy anything you want, brand new (or maybe buy one of each). Rejoice in the nice Rolands and Kawais and Korgs etc etc etc

But if money matters I would buy one of this
A) casio px-130
If you want to splurge a little more (which seems to be the case from your post)
then this is the 2nd suggestion:
B) casio px-330 (why: because the built-in rythms are a nice help for the practicing popular music musician wannabe, does not apply if you are a classical musician wannabe).
End of the free two cents!

#1325094 - 12/14/09 11:32 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: Swamp Crocodile]  
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phxal9,

One year ago I had the same dilemma between a yamaha (then a P-140) which was my original idea and the FP-7 that I discovered in the shop. Considering that FP-7 has nice accompaniment features and many interesting voices, I went for it and I don't regret it for one minute. I believe that the best way to choose is first set your price limit, second (optional) download user's manuals and check for must-have/nice-to-have features and third go to the store and try the DPs, with and without headphones.

Regards,

Thierry


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#1325628 - 12/15/09 12:10 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: tbaroghel]  
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Also had a dilemma in that price range 2 years ago- ended up going for Roland FP4 as FP7 has a hard keybed that is unrealistic in action and unhealthy to boot. FP4 lacks string resonance of fp7, but I'm using Pianoteq which smokes fp7 sounds anyway. Fp4 has a very nice touch with real piano-like soft keybed.


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#1325694 - 12/15/09 01:57 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: ere]  
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Originally Posted by ere
Also had a dilemma in that price range 2 years ago- ended up going for Roland FP4 as FP7 has a hard keybed that is unrealistic in action and unhealthy to boot. FP4 lacks string resonance of fp7, but I'm using Pianoteq which smokes fp7 sounds anyway. Fp4 has a very nice touch with real piano-like soft keybed.


I agree, the FP7 keybed is way too hard. I don't even play piano much and it feels bizarre to me. How does this crap make it out of the lab without people laughing it down?

#1325745 - 12/15/09 06:41 AM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: dewster]  
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Dewster,

It is ok with me if you say you do not like (or even you hate) the FP-7. That you call it 'crap' is something I resent (as many happy FP-7 owners I presume) and, regardless of your piano skills, I wish you would refrain such writing in this usually respectful forum.

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#1325982 - 12/15/09 03:19 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: tbaroghel]  
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tbaroghel - Thank you.
I have been playing pianos and keyboards for 57 years so I am no stranger to the feel of various keyboards.

I have an FP-7 and love it. I also have a Yamaha G7 for direct comparison.

Whatever you think about the FP-7 (we are all certainly entitled to our opinions) it is certainly NOT "crap" not "laughable" nor does it feel "bizarre".

This is the kind of posts I expect in the Piano Forum or Pianist Corner where they can't seem to help themselves, not here.


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#1326022 - 12/15/09 04:31 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: Roger Ransom]  
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Originally Posted by Roger Ransom
tbaroghel -
I have an FP-7 and love it. I also have a Yamaha G7 for direct comparison.



I spent some considerable time on the FP-7, and thought it was a fine instrument; I very nearly bought one, but at 52 lbs (without the road case) it was a mite too heavy for my kind of gigging, so I went with a much lighter piano.

I thought the piano sound was very well done, and I especially liked the tone-wheel organs.

The reverb was one of the best I've heard on a digital piano, and went a long way towards giving it a very professional sound.

Are you amplifying it, Roger, and, if so, what are you using?

Snazzy



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#1326029 - 12/15/09 04:53 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: tbaroghel]  
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Originally Posted by tbaroghel
Dewster,

It is ok with me if you say you do not like (or even you hate) the FP-7. That you call it 'crap' is something I resent (as many happy FP-7 owners I presume) and, regardless of your piano skills, I wish you would refrain such writing in this usually respectful forum.

Thierry


Good lord Thierry, reading your post I'd almost swear I felt a glove smack me in the face. Is this is some kind of honor thing?

I'm not criticizing you, just the unnatural hard stop on the FP-7 I tried (and I suppose Roland by proxy). Poorly engineered ergonomics can cause repetitive motion injury, which is no laughing matter.

And besides, ere started it! To me, his post was much more damning of the FP-7.

Here's another cheap swipe at the FP-7: the lit buttons look like bulbs from a cheap dollar store Xmas tree. Admit it, they're ugly. I apologize to all in advance.

Don't take it personally, I loath all DPs, some more than others.

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Dewpster,

You must be careful in criticizing some one's choice in keyboards, son, because you are basically insulting their taste.

We must respect the other fellow's choice in keyboards, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. wink


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#1326048 - 12/15/09 05:21 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: dewster]  
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Oh, no offense was intended!
I realise that lots of people invested in fp7 and thus take criticism personally. This doesnt mean that constructive criticism should stop. I freely admited that my own 1000£ Roland FP4 has pathetic built in sounds - no sympathetic resonance, no string resonance, poor damper resonance. No product in this price range is beyond criticism.
Same applies to FP7- non believers may want to do a quick search on these very forums for "keybed FP7". The action on FP7 is FANTASTIC while the key travelling down, but when it HITS the (concrete- metal-granite) keybed it certainly is NOT fantastic. Like playing a piano with no piano felt under keys or something. In fact there was a case on these very forums where an (advanced) piano player damaged his hands on Roland fp7 (over several weeks)and had to seek medical help. There was also a consensus on these very forums that fp7 keybed IS too hard, abnormally so - this was 1.5-2 years ago.

Beginner pianists should not worry too much about it, advanced players should. Also there is a possibility that problem was addressed by Roland since then. Eg my recently repaired Fp4 has a new keyboard assembly that has slightly firmer feel compared to my 2y.o. one...

But product criticism is good, no one should be offended:)

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#1326114 - 12/15/09 07:09 PM Re: New Yamaha p155 or used Roland FP-7 for absolute beginner [Re: ere]  
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Originally Posted by ere
But product criticism is good


By that criterion, I'm VERY good! :-)

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It's nice to discuss the relative merits of one piano to another...but they are just "relative" and will mean completely different things to each type of player.

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Chaps, I believe the FP-7 uses the PHA II keyboard action, which is also found in a number of other, highly regarded instruments such as the RD700 and HP range. I played these instruments only a few days ago and found the action to be rather agreeable.

Perhaps there is something special about the implementation of the PHA II keyboard action in the FP-7 to explain the so-called 'hard bottoming' characteristic?

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I really liked the FP-7, and found no evidence of hard bottoming on the one I played. Perhaps it was an early production problem?

The PHAII has a nice response and excellent grading.

I also had a lot of fun with the session partner, although it is very limited in the chords it will read...no inversions (on bass, slash chords), for example.

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OK, constructive criticism is fine and is expected and appreciated. I'm not sure that words like 'How does this crap make it out of the lab without people laughing it down?' are real constructive.

Snazzyplayer - I usually play it unamplified at home but use a Fender Passport PA system when I play it at weddings etc. It may not be the best amp/speaker system but it sounds very good to me and I can use the system for a lot of other events at work that are not related to the keyboard. I'm pretty happy with it. I'd use something else if I was playing in clubs but it serves my purposes very well.



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Roger,

I am familiar with the Fender Passport...a friend of mine has the 500, and another buddy has the 250.

A very nice, and compact system, and you're right, it is pretty versatile. We use the 500 for vocals only, as we all have our own amps at the jam sessions. Zeke uses it for staff meetings.

You know what a critic is don't you?

Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves. wink

Snazzy



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