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What is an ossai? #1313821
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My copy of Rach E-t 39/6 lists an ossai, written above the music. What am I supposed to do with this? I googled ossai and couldn't find anything about it. I have never encountered this term before.
Can anyone help?


Bach French Suites No. 6, Allemande and Gigue, Beethoven's Pathetique, Chopin Nocturne 72/1, Fantaisie-Impromptu, Debussy's First Arabesque, Takacs Toccata Op 54, Rachmaninoff Etude-Tableau 33/8.
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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: pianogal37] #1313823
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my Oxford dictionary of Music lists 'ossia'

it says.. this expression is attached to passages added by the composer (or editor) as alternative to the original.. sometimes on grounds of greater facility

and from wikipedia

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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: apple*] #1313828
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I thought it was an ancient species of bird-like dinasaurs that roamed the earth during the late Triassic period around 65 mybp.

smile

Nice link, Apple.

John


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Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 2 in F, Haydn Sonata Hoboken XVI:41, Bach French Suite No. 5 in G BWV 816

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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: pianogal37] #1313831
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Your score misspells the term in question, which is why you can't find "Ossai" anywhere by Googling. My score for the same piece shows the term as "ossia", which is derived from the Italian for "alternatively" or "also". It's used by composers who want to include alternative versions of the same portion of a piece. Sometimes, the versions so labeled are considered to be "easy" and "harder".

Rachmaninoff used this device more than most composers. His most famous "ossia" is in the 1st movement cadenza to his 3rd piano concerto. The delicate, filigreed version played by Rachmaninoff himself, Horowitz and Janis is written into the text of the score; the massive, chordal "ossia" made famous by Cliburn and played by Andsnes and Volodos is written in tiny script above the stave of the main text, just like the "ossia" in your ET. In the case of the 3rd concerto cadenza, it's not a case of "easy" and "harder" but "incredibly difficult" and "impossibly difficult".

Hope that helps.


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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: pianogal37] #1313852
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An ossia is an alternate passage. Sometimes they're easier (Balakirev Islamey) and sometimes they're more difficult (Liszt William Tell Overture, very very end of third movement of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto).

Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Emanuel Ravelli] #1313881
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Yes -- I don't know the piece and I thought it might have been a misspelling of "assai," and figured for sure it's a misspelling of something.

Re: What is an ossai? [Re: pianogal37] #1313885
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'Ossia' is definitely the term you are looking for. smile


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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Horowitzian] #1313920
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So, what does allegro assia mean? Or is it allegro assio?


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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Janus K. Sachs] #1313926
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Switched letters again - I believe it should be "Allegro assai", or "faster than Allegro".

Interesting scores you guys are using.

Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Fredil] #1313928
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Hehe, Allegro Assai Op. 39 No. 8--oh gosh, WHAT a piece...

Why are the scores interesting Fredil?

Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1313949
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I think Fredil is referring to the multiple typos that the editors didn't catch. I rechecked my score and ossai is the (incorrect) spelling they use.


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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: pianogal37] #1313957
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It is a watering hole in the desert, once you unscramble the letters.


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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: BDB] #1313958
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Oasis. cool

Oh, well maybe it's a Rachmaninoff/Rachmaninov sort of deal?

Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Orange Soda King] #1313962
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A good on-line music dictionary is all that is needed. Here is one--maybe the only one, I don't know--from Virginia Tech. It's very complete, and easy to use.

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/

Tomasino




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Re: What is an ossai? [Re: Fredil] #1313964
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Originally Posted by Fredil
Switched letters again - I believe it should be "Allegro assai", or "faster than Allegro".

Interesting scores you guys are using.


I think Janus is treating us to his usual vicious sarcasm. grin


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