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Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 #1310182
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How do these 4 pianos compare? Which is the best?

Kawai US-6X and Yamaha U3 are old, about 20-30 years old. These 2 about the same prices.

U1 is newer, 7 years old, a little more expensive than the previous 2

Or should I go with a new Kawai K3? Will have to spend the most money.

Thanks!

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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: purpletulipblossom] #1310275
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All your piano options are artist level so to speak so it is a matter of your personal subjective preference,condition contingent and overall $ value.

Of course, the competitive 131cm US6X and the U3 are gonna be the richer sounding pianos due to their height factor.They also are going to be the best $ value in that they are considerably more expensive than the shorter 121cm U1 and K3.

A preowned US6X is somewhat of a rare find in the preowned market in that it is or was a nongray market mdl. unlike the U3.The US6X and the US8X(sostenudo) evolved into the K80 and than to the present K8. You don't see that many preowned ones because they are somewhat of a sleeper as opposed to the traditional U3.They all look the same cabinet wise.The US6X is my choice though they are all good viable options. You have to play them. Good luck! Are the U1 and or the U3 gray market ? How much dinero are they asking for the respective pianos. ?

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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: pianobroker] #1310345
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Originally Posted by pianobroker

Of course, the competitive 131cm US6X and the U3 are gonna be the richer sounding pianos due to their height factor.They also are going to be the best $ value in that they are considerably more expensive than the shorter 121cm U1 and K3.


Tulip,

I think Broker's assessment of $ value and even sound profile assumes that these pianos are what he routinely refers to as pristine low-mileage samples, and not old beaters. To know if that is really true, you would need to pay for an independent tech inspection (unless he is personally willing to inspect them free of charge grin)

In terms of the 7-yr-old U1 and the new Kawai K3, these two are significantly different in both tone and touch. I have to think that if you have played them, one must appeal to you more than the other. If so, go with your instincts. If your instincts lead you to the U1, get it inspected before commmitting your money and verify the age through the Yamaha age chart available on the Yamaha website.


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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: pianobroker] #1310368
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pianoborker,

The sales person said these are all gray market pianos. I still don't quite understand the "gray market issue". But feel like maybe it's not a big deal to be concerned.

I am buying online so I am not able to actually try them out. But they do look very nice in the pictures and videos, and the descriptions are all like "perfect condition". The business is a BBB accredited company so I feel comfortable buying without actually see the pianos. We did try out some Kawais and Yamahas in the local stores and are aware of the tone difference between the two (one being mellower and the other brighter).

The final price for the US-6X is $5,000 all included. The U1 is $5,500 and the U3 is $5,100. The sales person recommended the US-6X too. So I think we will go with the US-6X.

Thanks again!

Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: turandot] #1310374
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turandot,

Like I said in the reply to pianobroker, these are from an online store that is a BBB accredited company. So I am not planning on getting an independent tech inspection. They all look very nice and the descriptions are very good too. Besides they have 10 year warranty so that make me feel better too.

This piano is for my kids. I don't play so I can't really tell much of the subtle differences like experienced pianist do. One thing I CAN tell is I prefer the Kawai tone better than the Yamaha - the Yamaha is kind of too bright for me.

I think I will go with the US-6X.

Thanks a lot!

Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: purpletulipblossom] #1310382
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Tulip,

It's your call and your money, but I think your reasoning is wrong.

On the warranty issue, that warranty on a twenty to thirty-year-old piano, at best, is a warranty on its existing condition. Wear and tear that has already occurred is not under warranty, and the wear and tear on that piano in its present condition is something that you do not know.

You also do not know what the tone and touch are like on that particular piano. You could luck out on all counts, but I don't think the value of a piano purchased should involve luck.

Broker's interest in that piano is that it is a rarity in the US market, and may be underappreciated as such. I can think of several rarities that benefit the market in being rare. I'm not saying that piano is one of them. What I am saying is that the rarity of that model in the market says nothing about the condition of that particular piano.

Despite the assurance you find in BBB reference, my advice would be to negotiate the purchase of the K3 with the local dealer. I don't think it would be significantly more than the price of the US-6X and the warranty on a new Kawai from a dealer who represents Kawai will assure you of very good warranty service.


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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: turandot] #1310521
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Interesting.....I've never seen or had a gray market US6X.I've had many US5X and US7X over the years.
Tulip,
You are a trusting soul.No tech assessment,buying sight unseen,no "touchy feely". Personally I would spring for a 3rd party tech assessment in that I guarantee you that,he will find something though minor as it may be, that the dealer will have to address that will cost more than the tech visit
ex.lost motion,squeaky pedals or base board,scratches on the music rack or ? BBB means near nothing as for a piano dealer.

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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: turandot] #1311069
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turandot,

I get your point. The condition of the US-6X is the most important factor in making decision here. I have hired a technician to look at the pianos.

A new K-3 will cost $900 more than the US-6X. Other than that, the US-6X seems to be a better piano than a K-3. Or am I wrong? Now the U-1 seems to be a safe choice since it is rather new.

I am waiting to see what the technician has to say.

Thanks!


Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: pianobroker] #1311071
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pianobroker,

Actually last time I asked if the US-6X is a grey market, the sales person said he was not sure. I thought all pianos they sell are grey markets but I could be wrong.

We have hired a technician and he will go try out those pianos for us. Maybe we should go with the U1 since it is rather new. I just thought the US-6X is a better piano - being the upright grand piano. A U1 should be good enough too.

Will wait and see. Thanks a lot for the help!

Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: purpletulipblossom] #1311093
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If the only price diff. is $900 between 20-30 yo pianos and a new K3, buy the new K3 and never look back.

Buying online and at a distance is nuts.


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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: Marty Flinn] #1311317
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A Kawai US6X is comparable to the present Kawai K8 which is their 131 cm flagship mdl.The US6X doesn't have the sostenudo/middle pedal function. It retails for 14-15K NEW depending on the finish, so ...do you think if this US6X is in near new pristine condition that it may be the better buy in the long haul.? wink

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Re: Kawai US-6X, Yamaha U1 and U3 [Re: pianobroker] #1311584
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You have to get touchy feely with it to really understand what kind of shape it is in. If the older Kawai is in truly good shape, I would go for it. I bought a 30 year old US60 and have not regretted it except for passing up an incredibly wonderful sounding 100+ year old S&S Vertegrand.


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