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Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: Larry Larson] #1307431
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I saw my first Chinese Baldwin grand last week. Priced at $9999. It seemed like a good value for the money and can compete with the Pearl River/ Cable, K&C, Falcone, etc. I imagine it might sell for around $8500. A few pianos down one could find an art case M priced at $89k.

If I were Gibson, I would have made the artist grands per spec in China right after the takeover. Instead, they screwed up the brand recognition with poor build quality and increased prices. Now they are going cheap with the brand, which may hurt the value of the American Baldwins already in the market.

Why not make a Chinese Artist grand, with Artist specs, and sell it for 15K (size M) The Chinese are capable of making a great piano now - Let the Chinese make a great Baldwin Artist Piano.




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Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: Bob] #1307609
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Originally Posted by Bob
Now they are going cheap with the brand, which may hurt the value of the American Baldwins already in the market.

IMO there will be some very good buys on older Baldwins for precisely that reason.

Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: FogVilleLad] #1307668
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i like the midsize, artist grands.. (the R's and L's)absolutely love them. I lust after the SF1. However, I haven't played a new one, and just might stop by the dealership today out of curiousity.


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Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: apple*] #1307907
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I understand that Baldwin stopped making pianos during WWII in order to help the war effort. It was suggested that working with plywood for airplanes aided in the development of Baldwin's 41-ply maple pinblock design.

Can anyone give an informed opinion on the grands produced immediately after WWII? Are they good candidates for rebuilding?

I have my eye on a concert grand from that era. Thanks to anyone who can provide some info.


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Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: louisrichards] #1308135
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Yes, but if you buy it, you'll be stuck with it. Even the smaller Baldwins are tough to get rid of. I'm trying to sell my 6'3" and that's proving to be a challenge.

Is the piano already rebuilt or is it in need of a restoration?

Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: sotto voce] #1308167
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Originally Posted by sotto voce

What are the consumer's responsibilities to be informed concerning a decision that involves many thousands of dollars? I doubt that anyone buying a car is unaware whether the brand is domestic or foreign (even if its component parts come from around the world).


What are the consumer's responsibilities? Well, they should do their homework; I assume we agree on that. Do they? Probably not. Also, it doesn't matter if a car brand is domestic or foreign... for example, Chrysler has (had?) plants in Mexico and Canada.

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Consider how many Asian piano makers have adopted venerable names from the "golden era" or have fabricated European names solely for the cachet that they confer. In other areas of manufacturing and marketing, too, names (like "Packard Bell," for instance) get bought and sold. It seems like there's a lot of potential for deception there, and yet a Baldwin is still a Baldwin whether made in Cincinnati, Trumann or Dongbei. [quote]

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of stencil pianos because of that potential. And, no, a Baldwin is not a Baldwin if they just slap the name on a Chinese piano! I suspect that the Baldwin BH185, for example, is nearly identical to the Hallett & Davis 185 made in the same factory. If that's the case, then it's a piano of German design... not Baldwin.


[quote=sotto voce] I think Baldwin's decision to incorporate the letter C into the logo of the Chinese pianos is clever, and it serves the purpose of differentiation well. Opinions about that detail may vary, but I'm genuinely at a loss to understand such an extreme description as "the sleaziest, most dishonest thing they could have done. I hope it lands them in court."


Sure, it's clever. But, most people wouldn't notice because it's such a small detail. Do you really think that the average customer is going to see that "c" and be like, "Oh, that means it's made in China and has no connection to the American Baldwins"? This is especially true since Baldwin still calls itself "America's favorite piano" and describes these pianos as having "classic Baldwin sound", or something like that.

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I still want to know how this action—which seems intended specifically to eliminate confusion and even the appearance of deception—suggests vulnerability to legal claims.


IMO, there is a very, very fine line between a half-ass attempt at product differentiation and defrauding consumers, who probably still don't know that they essentially stopped making pianos here. One would probably have to prove that Baldwin was intentionally trying to mislead customers... but in America, you can sue for just about anything.


Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: beethoven986] #1308585
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Hello - I am in search of a piano for my 5 children (age 6-14). I don't know anything about pianos, but would like them to have the opportunity to learn. I have been told that the piano is the best place to start and from there they can learn other instruments. I’m going to look at a Baldwin style 603 tonight. Please help! Any information would be greatly appreciated! ~Musa

Re: Opinion on Baldwin pianos? [Re: musa] #1308607
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musa, welcome to the Piano Forums!

You might want to start a new thread about your search for a piano.

Until recently, all Baldwins were made in the US (but not all their sub-brands like Hamilton were). If you're looking at a used Baldwin it was likely made int the US and they are generally very good pianos; above average quality. You never know how a used piano has been treated over the years, so you should have a technician take a look at it before buying one.


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