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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: SeilerFan] #1291094
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William is on a mission to have the highest post count of anyone on pw. That's all.

Dandelion,

If you are having a difficult time choosing between a c2 and a c3, you REALLY ought to check out a Kawai RX2.

Several reasons for this:
It is directly in between the size of the c2 and c3 at 5'10. Most folks would agree that those extra 2 inches (over the C2 at 5'8) make a significant difference in the bass.

Kawais and yamahas have the same level of quality, although they have slightly different tonal philosophies behind them. Most people characterize Yamahas as inherently 'brighter', with Kawais being more on the 'mellow' side.

The new Kawais now have the Millenium 3 action, which is said to be among the best in the world.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Kawais tend to be slightly more affordable than Yamahas, and you SHOULD be able to acquire an RX2 of the same vintage as the C2's you're considering for a thousand or two less.

Almost as big as a C3....cheaper than a C2.
Definitely something to consider.

If you have your mind set on Yamaha, you have my (another professional pianist, for what it's worth) vote for the C3. It's really QUITE a bit more piano than the C2.

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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: JustAnotherPianist] #1291164
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPianist
William is on a mission to have the highest post count of anyone on pw. That's all.


Notjustanother,

Nah. I don't post so much. It's just that for reasons completely unknown to me, some of my posts seem to irritate people. grin

Look, if Dandelion likes the C3, he should have a C3. If he prefers the C2, he should have a C2. I agree with you completely that he should also consider other alternatives, but I won't mention any so as to stay within the parameters of his question. I agree too that the C3 is more than the C2. Whether it offers more value to a particular user in a particular home installation is another question.

You really ought to work on your post count! smile


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: turandot] #1291349
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Thank you, JustAnotehrPianist. The reason I have been talking about Yamaha C2 or C3 is there are a few private sales locally right now. I will consider a Kawai RX2 also for sure.

Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: JustAnotherPianist] #1292308
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William is on a mission to have the highest post count of anyone on pw. That's all.

Dandelion,

If you are having a difficult time choosing between a c2 and a c3, you REALLY ought to check out a Kawai RX2.

Several reasons for this:
It is directly in between the size of the c2 and c3 at 5'10. Most folks would agree that those extra 2 inches (over the C2 at 5'8) make a significant difference in the bass.

Kawais and yamahas have the same level of quality, although they have slightly different tonal philosophies behind them. Most people characterize Yamahas as inherently 'brighter', with Kawais being more on the 'mellow' side.

---*What??? They are completely different pianos and built very differently. Tonal philosophies different? That's a head scratcher. My assumption is that both companies are striving for the richest tone possible. Why would you think otherwise? The whole brighter vs. warmer tone argument holds no water anymore. Ten years ago, yes. Test it out...have a friend blindfold you and then play them and judge for yourself*.


The new Kawais now have the Millenium 3 action, which is said to be among the best in the world.

---*Do you have a source for this*?


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Kawais tend to be slightly more affordable than Yamahas, and you SHOULD be able to acquire an RX2 of the same vintage as the C2's you're considering for a thousand or two less.

---*Actually they are much farther apart in price than you think, so yes, the Kawai is cheaper*.


Almost as big as a C3....cheaper than a C2.
Definitely something to consider.

If you have your mind set on Yamaha, you have my (another professional pianist, for what it's worth) vote for the C3. It's really QUITE a bit more piano than the C2. [/quote]

---*Based upon what exactly? 5 inches? Yeah, it will have more projection and a little more bass. What specific parts are you referring to as "quite a bit" more piano than the C2? I want specifics not just hearsay or your "professional opinion"*.


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: choleric] #1293369
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I went to our local Kawai dealer yesterday. New RX2 and RX3 both sell for around $17,000-$18,000 - $1000 rebate. I will visit Yamaha deals this week. I am sure New C2 and C3 are more expensive, according to others here. Then I will have to find an older one to fit my budget.

Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: pno] #1293889
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Originally Posted by pno
C2 and C3 use the same action assembly. Pull out the actions from both, you will see the C2/C3 stamps on them.


Is this a design change? My C3 action is stamped C3/C5


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: I. Bruton] #1293962
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Originally Posted by I. Bruton
Originally Posted by pno
C2 and C3 use the same action assembly. Pull out the actions from both, you will see the C2/C3 stamps on them.


Is this a design change? My C3 action is stamped C3/C5


It could be. Which year is your piano? Mine is 2008.

Or it could be just Yamaha's trick to make us all think that our piano is better than it actually is. A C5 action could be stamped C5/C6, a C6 stamped C6/C7, a C7 stamped C7/CFIIIS. ;-)

Anyway, other than the stamp, my tech (who is very experienced in Yamaha) confirmed C2/C3 share the same action.


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: pno] #1294060
10/26/09 12:55 PM
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C1 and C2 share the same action,the C3 and the C5 have a different action,the C6 and C7 also.
You get what you pay for, the more expensive the piano, the more time they spend on the action and the better componants they use.


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: Konzert Patrick] #1294147
10/26/09 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GC1Patrick
C1 and C2 share the same action,the C3 and the C5 have a different action,the C6 and C7 also.


GC1Patrick, I trust my own eyes and I trust my own tech who is also Yamaha Canada's event tech!

If you don't mind, let me know where you get your information. Not that it is anything important.


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: pno] #1294173
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No need to get offended PNO.

I got the information from my Yamaha dealer when I was looking to upgrade my GC1 to a C2 silent last year. I asked for the differences between the models and he explained them to me. All the details on the actions, the different woods used in the soundboards, different hammer qualities etc.
(This is why I. Bruton his action says C3/C5, just as my dealer explained)
I then decided if I want to upgrade I should wait for the C3 (if I ever upgrade)as the GC1/C1 and C2 are in the same "league" sound wise, the bass is better on the C2 ofcourse then on the GC1/C1 due to its lenght but the strings start to resonate better when the are a bit longer like on the C3. Also the sounds from the GC1/C1 and the C2 are projected to the player (more intimate) the C3 projects it sound more into the room and then back to the player.

Ofcourse all of this info is a year old.

So, here you go, my "un important" information... grin


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Re: Difference between Yamaha C2 and C3, besides 3 inches [Re: Konzert Patrick] #1294365
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I am not offended. I am just wondering the contradictory information.

Bruton's C3 is more than 10 years old (1997). So I am not surprised things have changed a bit.

It is very possible that C1/C2 started out using the same action but at least from the L line and now the M line, the C2 and C3 share the same action. Based on the information from Yamaha's website, the L line was produced from 1999-2007, and the M after 2007. So things must have changed in 2 generations.

As for the bass, to be honest the magical point starts at 6 and a half feet to seven feet. Anything less just doesn't have that true deep bass (not just louder bass), regardless brands including the most expensive ones. That is my opinion.





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