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#1280130 - 10/03/09 05:16 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Woody-Woodruff]  
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#1280260 - 10/03/09 09:48 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Woody-Woodruff]  
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Hugh, you often ask if your suggested fingerings work for us. Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but so far all your suggestions work great for me. I may switch a finger here and there, but the idea of grouping notes together and "borrowing notes from the LH into the RH" all work as expected. It's coming along real nice for me in measures 29 and 30.

Just some feedback from an "advanced beginner".

#1280915 - 10/05/09 01:17 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Woody-Woodruff]  
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Hugh, I found this thread a few weeks ago after "dragging out" my Claire sheet music for another "go" at it. You lessons have made this attempt so much more fun and the progress is tremendous for me. I too like to map out notes and fingerings all over my score.

The calm way you explain things and positive comments and the way you "plan ahead" has caused me to go back and re work a few stumbling blocks on other pieces that I love to play.

I have been following right along but got a little anxious and began on measure 31 and 32 a few days before you posted.

Here's my reason for writing.....

On my music score, and yours, the fourth note, g has a flat sign next to it. There is already a flat sign in the key signature so it is "obvious" to me that e, g,a,b and d are flat. Because they put the flat sign there I was thinking that it is a g flat, and the flat sign makes it an f. The F seems to sound better to me than the G flat, so I have been playing it that way. I assume I am wrong as your video now shows you playing it as a g flat. Why does the music have that flat sign next to the g? There seems to be no logical reason and on my score the g in the right hand has a flat notation next to it also.

Again, words cannot express my appreciation for all the time you are taking and the knowledge you are sharing with us.


Bob
#1280930 - 10/05/09 01:52 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: bluekeys]  
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I started taking lessons 3 months ago,, so i am gonna stick with the plan given to me. Maybe a year down the road,, i will take a closer look at this.

But this is spectacular, amazing. Hugh, most definate kind soul.

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#1281105 - 10/05/09 09:05 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Bob Griffin]  
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As I went to bed I guess I figured out my own answer. In the previous two measures the g had a natural and I guess it's just a reminder to flat it again. For some reason I was reading more into it.

LOL it does sound good as an f though.

Bob


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#1281139 - 10/05/09 10:31 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Bob Griffin]  
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Lesson #46, Measure 31, pt 2

This lesson actually covers both measures 31 and 32, since they're essentially identical. We now add the right hand notes, taking note of how the top melody line needs to hold past the pedal break. I give a few suggested fingerings, and encourage you to use whatever feels more comfortable, as everyone's hand is different in size and shape. I also give a suggestion for practicing to connect both measures 31 and 32 more smoothly.


#1281143 - 10/05/09 10:34 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: senam]  
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Originally Posted by senam
Hugh, you often ask if your suggested fingerings work for us. Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but so far all your suggestions work great for me. I may switch a finger here and there, but the idea of grouping notes together and "borrowing notes from the LH into the RH" all work as expected. It's coming along real nice for me in measures 29 and 30.

Just some feedback from an "advanced beginner".


I'm so glad you find these fingerings helpful! Thanks so much for the feedback - it's always nice to hear when things "work"! wink

#1281146 - 10/05/09 10:35 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Bob Griffin]  
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Originally Posted by Bob Griffin
As I went to bed I guess I figured out my own answer. In the previous two measures the g had a natural and I guess it's just a reminder to flat it again. For some reason I was reading more into it.

LOL it does sound good as an f though.

Bob


Good deductive work, Bob! Yes, we call those "courtesy accidentals" as reminders. Glad to hear you're enjoying the lessons!

#1281152 - 10/05/09 10:41 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Tawny]  
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Originally Posted by Tawny
I started taking lessons 3 months ago,, so i am gonna stick with the plan given to me. Maybe a year down the road,, i will take a closer look at this.

But this is spectacular, amazing. Hugh, most definate kind soul.


Thanks for the kind words, Tawny! Good luck with your current lessons!

#1281641 - 10/06/09 08:27 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Lesson #47, Measure 33 pt. 1

After starting from the previous measure to connect into measure 33, we tackle the first portion of the measure. The left hand has a challenging run - there are several fingering options, but I try to find a comfortable one that's broken into an octave pattern, a jump, and a finger-over-thumb motion. Once again, specific fingers can be used as measuring tools, particularly when the hand is jumping. We finish by working on a repeated note technique and adding some pedaling to this portion of the measure.


#1282416 - 10/07/09 11:25 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Lesson # 48, Measure 33, pt. 2

Now we work on learning the rest of measure 33. The notes with stems going up in the right hand represent the melody notes, which should be held longer than the lower notes if possible. We then talk about some pedaling options for the measure, from simple, to more complex if you prefer a "cleaner" sound.



#1283090 - 10/08/09 12:50 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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#1283238 - 10/08/09 05:31 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Woody-Woodruff]  
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Lesson #49, Measure 34

We start off by connecting the second half of measure 33 into measure 34. As we normally do, we carefully map out the notes in both hands and add in suggested fingerings. Watch out for the repeated notes shared by the thumbs in both hands - the left hand will need to get out of the way quickly. I also show how to keep a melody note connected even when it's repeated as an accompaniment note.


#1285084 - 10/11/09 06:44 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Hugh,
Did we loose everyone else? No one else is posting. If it's just me here, I'm still trying to catch up due to work. My recommendation, if it's just the two os us, put your feet up, and enjoy the next week or so with the family while I catch up to where you are now. If there are no new entries, I'll know you're taking my recommendation. I'll keep the thread on the first page - no problem.
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#1285090 - 10/11/09 07:03 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Woody-Woodruff]  
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Woody - you're not the only one - I was out of town for 10 days. I'm trying to catch up so haven't posted. So don't feel alone - I kinda thought the same as you, but I'm here and working on it! laugh
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I almost forgot blush Wow! Hugh, how VERY generous of you to do this first webinar for free! I'm forever in your debt! Thank you yet again.

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I'm wayyyyyyy behind but I'm still here.

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And I'm here as well. Although I'm ready for the next lesson, I probably wouldn't be able to keep up with one lesson per day. About 5 per week is perfect for me. Even though not many post here, according to the YouTube view counts, even the recent lessons have been watched well over 100 times.

#1285305 - 10/12/09 05:35 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Liber_Ouchy]  
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I'm wayyyyyyy behind but I'm still here.


LOL! Same here smile Don't think that because no-one is posting that no-one is watching! Once I've learned a chunk I'll try and post a recording but I'm only up to bar 6 at the moment frown

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#1285420 - 10/12/09 10:39 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Strings & Wood]  
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Hugh,
I am relearning the piece so I can move along at any pace you set. This is a very valuable experience for me and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your efforts. Thanks for everything!!


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#1285479 - 10/12/09 12:38 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: catchtwo2]  
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Thanks, everyone, for pitching in with your words of encouragement and participation! It's been another one of those hectic weeks, but I'm turning over a new leaf that hopefully helps me to stop turning into a "data potato" and spend more quality time away from the computer! I'm rendering the next lesson, and it should be posted by the end of the day. Many thanks for your patience and persistence! laugh

#1285542 - 10/12/09 02:09 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Lesson #50, Measures 35 & 36

The good news is that measures 35 & 36 are virtually the same as measures 27 and 28, with the exception of some extra notes in the left hand and some different "spellings" of the notes which look different, but sound (and play) the same. Notes that are spelled differently but sound the same are called "enharmonics". We also spend some time talking about sharps, which are the opposite of flats in that they raise the pitch of the note (moving the written note slightly to the right on the keboard).

If you're interested in exploring more of the theory of "Clair de lune" in depth or other musical subjects, I'd like to invite you to sign up for one of my live webinars at http://pianofromscratch.com/webinars


#1285634 - 10/12/09 04:44 PM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Hi All ,
Thanks for the welcome Hugh ! I'm still here :))) Believe it or not I'm up to measure 30 ! My husband thinks I sound great ( I don't lol). Having trouble moving on because I keep playing the first part I've learnt over and over again. I think that's because it's been such an effort for me to get this far that starting another difficult measure is going to take a big push ! Still can't believe the progress I've made with your help smile Onwards and upwards !
Hope everyone is well!
Tracy

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Lesson #51, Measure 37 Pt. 1

We start off going more in depth about how to read sharps, and in particular how to interpret the new key signature coming up that is made up of sharps. I then talk about the "traditional" fingering for this measure, and why it might be a problem for those with smaller or less flexible hands. Feel free to use this fingering if you feel comfortable with it (I actually use it myself), but in the next lesson I will show a special fingering designed for smaller hands (this is in response to a blogger who complained about difficulties with this and the following measures due to the small size of her own hands). Hope these next few lessons help!


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Double-header today! Couldn't leave folks hanging at the end of that last lesson, so enjoy today's bonus lesson!

Lesson #52, Measure 37 Pt. 2

The traditional fingerings rely on octaves in both hands to help find the notes easily. The problem is that the way the notes are positioned in the left hand makes things very difficult for the 4th and 5th fingers, particularly for smaller hands and those with less flexibility in those normally weaker fingers. As an alternative, I offer a creative fingering that uses the right hand to once again "come to the rescue" by sharing some of the left hand notes, leaving the left hand with a smaller, more comfortable note grouping. Try both of these fingerings and be sure to let me know which one you prefer. Everyone will have different preferences depending on their hand size/shape, so don't feel obligated to follow someone else's personal preference!


#1287495 - 10/15/09 10:23 AM Re: Clair de lune from Scratch - YouTube Piano Lessons [Re: Hugh Sung]  
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Lesson #53, Measure 38

We've been running into an awful lot of notes with ledger lines, so I thought I'd make up a new set of mnemonics to make it easier to quickly identify those notes. By the way, in case I forgot to mention, the "regular" lines that contain the clefs and most of the notes are called "staff lines", and the ledger lines (or "ladder lines" as I sometimes call them) are notes that are written above the staff lines.

Using our new mnemonics, we quickly map out the right hand notes, and in mapping the left hand notes we see how to play an E-sharp. I close by offering some alternate left hand fingerings and a suggested pedaling. If you can hold the right hand melody, that will help to distinguish it from the running accompaniment notes below.



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Hugh,

It has been a real privilege to learn this piece with your help. I started learning it on my own and amazingly it seems you started these lessons at about the same time. Obviously you are a gifted pianist and teacher, as my playing has progressed greatly with your help. I am having some trouble with measure 37. Normally when I play measures at a slower pace I can still hear how it is supposed to sound at speed. With measure 37 though it just sounds like random notes to me. Is there something I am missing? Is it just that it doesn't work unless it is played at the proper speed? Perhaps I am not bringing out the melody properly, maybe some accents added to the score would help. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks for all your help and generosity.

Chris

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Hi Chris - this is an excellent question, and I'd like to address this in the upcoming webinar on Oct. 24th. Measure 37 is a transitional measure - it's function is basically to move us from the "flat" harmony to "sharp" harmony, if that makes sense. Don't worry about bringing out the melody too much - every note is actually part of one single chord, being modulated upwards in different positions. I'll try to illustrate that in the webinar to help you understand what's going on. In the meantime, try playing measure 37 and actually keep the pedal down for the entire time - hopefully you'll see that everything can actually blend together quite nicely.

Hope this helps!

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