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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Mark...] #1292299
10/23/09 08:30 AM
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Looking forward to seeing more videos made with Q3. I noticed that the H4 was the only Zoom product with published specs for quality. I wonder what the real specs are on the H2 and the Q3?

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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Hop] #1292325
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Hi,
I got tired of waiting for my Q 3 from the first place I ordered it from two weeks ago. They told me that they would not be getting them in until Monday. I checked a few other vendors, American Musical had it in stock, free shipping and no tax. I should have it on Saturday. yippie
I'm really excited about trying to record, and sending it to the November ABF Recital. I have a Yamaha 5'3 grand, just tuned two weeks ago. thumb
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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Mark...] #1292327
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Tatianna,
Your recording is great. I had a Roland Hp103 in 2007. I really liked being able to practice any hour of the day or night, but wanted an acoustic piano. I got back to the piano after 45+ years. I traded in the Roland for a Yamaha 5'3, but I miss the Roland. Still like to practce late at night.
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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: salzdt] #1292335
10/23/09 09:56 AM
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I'll be looking forward to seeing your submission, Dot! I've been playing around with my Q3 some more, and it looks like you can save the file from the Q3 on your computer in both formats (video, plus audio-only), which will give you what you need for the recital plus being able to link to the video.

I did the critical comparison suggested earlier of recording with the Q3 and H4 simultaneously. Unfortunately the video file is on my home computer, so I won't be able to post them until this evening. But I can say that my suspicions that the Q3 audio contains more of a background hiss that I don't hear on my H4 recordings, and is noticeable when listening at high volume, was confirmed. I'm still delighted with the Q3, but it won't be replacing my H4 entirely, which is a little disappointing because that was my hope. I'll post both recordings tonight and let y'all see what you think.

Oh, and I figured out something about the auto gain. I had mentioned earlier that when I used that setting, I kept getting clipping/distortion so I thought there was something wrong. Turns out that the distortion is obvious only when playing back on the Q3 speakers (which, trust me, are not very good speakers). When I listen using headphones, the auto-gain Q3 recordings are fine and seem comparable to what I get using the High mic setting.

Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Monica K.] #1292346
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I should be getting my Q3 today! I'll post a video soon.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: eweiss] #1292455
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One more thing about Q3 that I discovered after a few recording sessions: it does not last too long when using re-chargeable batteries.

This is not a problem for me, as I always have a spare charged set, and I only use Q3 at home.

Tatiana


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: tatiana110] #1292629
10/23/09 06:07 PM
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Just got the Q3 but have no clue how to upload the files to my PC. It ain't easy like the flip camera. First big mistake by Zoom.

Can anyone give me a step-by-step explanation? And do I have to upload Quicktime? I hope not.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: eweiss] #1292633
10/23/09 06:11 PM
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Hi Ed... I just finished writing you a PM. Step by step directions are there. I actually found the process to be very much like the Flip. confused

Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Monica K.] #1292639
10/23/09 06:23 PM
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Okay, I don't know what happened the first time I posted this video. I thought I had edited out my false start but to my horror it was right there on YouTube in front of billions of people in all its infamy. blush I had to delete it hastily and re-edit and re-upload it.

Anyway, here's my latest recording. As suggested by AryReisin, this time I recorded simultaneously with the Q3 and the H4.



"I due fiumi, La Scala variation," recorded on Zoom H4

Couple of observations:

1. Comparing the audio of the two clips, there's definitely a louder background hiss on the Q3--especially if listening with the volume turned up--that I don't hear on the H4. Advantage: H4.

2. The sun finally came out in Lexington, and as you can see the video quality is much better with more natural light than my first video showed. Looks pretty darned good, as a matter of fact. Advantage: Q3.

3. Props must be given to AnthonyB, who transcribed the absolutely beautiful improvised bridge section that Einaudi plays on this piece on the La Scala concert album. thumb There’s no way I could’ve figured that out by ear on my own. Advantage: Anthony and Einaudi. heart

4. Bottom line: The Q3 is amazing. If I didn’t own my H4, I would be crying tears of happiness to have the combination of video and audio quality that the Q3 gives me, especially compared to the Flip Mino. But there’s no contest when I directly compare the Q3 and H4 recordings... so I will continue to record with both. What would I recommend to others? If video is a priority, buy the Q3. If high quality audio is your priority, buy the H4N. Or get both. laugh

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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Monica K.] #1292657
10/23/09 07:17 PM
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Well, I'm probably going to return the Q3 I just got. Buyer beware. It only uses .mov files (which I hate) and are insanely huge.

A 1 minute video = 60 MB! That's insane!! Back to Amazon it goes. I feel bad about it too but Zoom is pretty stupid if they think people are going to be happy about uploaing a mass of data like that.

Same size video on my flip camera is usually less than 10 MB. Oh well. End rant.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: eweiss] #1292662
10/23/09 07:36 PM
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My 'I due fiumi' video that I just posted, which is 5:50 in length, is 233 MB in size. I have high speed internet at home and it took about, oh, 20 minutes to upload.

In another thread C.Y. posted a link to some freeware that people can download that will convert .mov files to .avi format. I suppose one could always do the conversion and then upload the .avi file, but that's obviously an extra step.

Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Monica K.] #1292667
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If I had known about the file size and mode (.mov) I never would have bought. No wonder nothing of this was mentioned in the ad copy. I expect there will be a lot of returns on this product.

Think I'll stick with my Flip for now. Thanks for helping me Monica! smile


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: eweiss] #1292672
10/23/09 07:59 PM
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Thanks Monica for another video. What I meant was comparing the Q3 to the H4 in the same position while recording, since the Q3 is away from the piano and the H4 is closer. I found my answer from a guy who owned the H4, has the H4n and got the Q3 as well. This is the question I made in one of his Videos :

"Hi, thank you for the video. Very useful to get an idea of quality, specially for piano videos which will be my main use.
I read in the zoom forum that you had the H4n. If you could compare them, in audio only mode, to see if the mics of the Q3 are really as good as the H4n. Regards"

"I would estimate that the Q3's mikes are between the original H4's and the H4N. The original I got a lot of use out of, and I didn't go for the "N" until last April, but it was a significant upgrade. The Q has the same definition as the N - you don't need a mixer, it hears and balances everything automatically. I'd have to say it's 90-95% of the H4N's audio, which was why I bought it."

Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: eweiss] #1292674
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Hi Monica,
My Zoom Q3 came today. The batteries and SD card are loaded. I went to the Audacity site to download the software, they have a new version, but suggest the older version for new users. The older version is for Windows 98, I have Windows 2000XP. I'm not sure if I should download the newwer version. I guess I will have to try one and see how it works. The Q3 seems pretty easy to work with, but I was concerned about eweiss's comments. The Q3 has a metal case, and putting in the SD card is easy. Is the file size a big problem. I'm going to try recording tomorrow. I would hate to have to retrun this unit and try to find a Zoom H4. I'll let you know how the recording goes. I'm going to try putting the unit on a mini tripod and place it on the music desk on the right side.
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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: salzdt] #1292829
10/24/09 07:49 AM
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Not to thread hijack again, but the recent discussion leading to keeping the H4 for high quality audio, meaning you'd need to mix video and audio if you wanted a video with the 'best' audio, makes me again want to point out:

I already have a Zoom audio recorder that makes me happy for sound. Instead of paying currently $249 on Amazon for a Q3 that only offers standard definition video (640x480), for $161 I bought a Flip UltraHD that records in 720P high definition (1280x720).

If I'm not trying to make a music video the built-in audio is perfectly serviceable, and if I do want a video with Zoom dedicated audio I simply use freeware to mix the two together. Once you've done it and know the procedure it only takes a couple of minutes.

And the end result, for less money, is an HD video in widescreen. I'll stick with my choice. Thanks for the info, all of you.

Monica, I do like the latest video better, though I did see the iris flicker a few times as it tried to decide on the light level (probably clouds passing by or something). I recommend sticking with the camera to the right of the keyboard; that always looks most natural to me, though I still haven't figured out the ideal way to record a piano keyboard. It's a tough shot to frame, especially if you want to let people see which notes you're hitting.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: SwayingTree] #1292862
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Monica, that piece is absolutely lovely and you play it beautifully. The sound quality you get from the H4 is great and really does justice to your piano.

I wanted to pick up on what eweiss was saying about .mov files. My camcorder uses that format and it was driving me mad on my recent attempts at recording. I have windows vista and the latest version of windows media player and I just couldn't get the .mov files to play. It said something about requiring codecs so I spent ages trawling the net trying to find the correct downloads with no luck. In the end I found some simple free software which converts .mov into .wma and it works fine. I wish I had thought of that (or read this thread) earlier.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: SwayingTree] #1292863
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Hi Guys,
ANy suggestions? My Zoom Q3 came Frday afternoon, and looks pretty easy to use. I have a Flip video recorder, Ultra Series. My primary recording will be for an acoustic 5'3 grand piano for ABF recitals. Maybe later on I would consider videos. There seems to be lots of discussion about sound quality. I'm considering returning the Q3 for the HN4, but first I will try recording today and listening with headphones. Will I get a fairly good representation of the audio quality by listening with headphones? I'm going to use the audio function by itself. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I have already loaded Auacity ( did find the right one for my Windows 2000XP). I will not try uploading any files to the computer until after I decide which Zoom I'm going to stick with, the Q3 or the HN4. Thanks for all you previous input. thumb
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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: salzdt] #1292895
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So it seems like the consensus is that the Q3 audio is hot as good as the H2 or H4? I coulda swore I read somewhere, maybe in this forum, that the audio circuitry was the same.


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Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Larry Larson] #1292921
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You did read that here, Larry, and that's what the description of the Q3 says on Sweetwater. I still prefer the H4 audio, but as Ary Reisin pointed out, I didn't exactly do a fair test because I had the H4 on the music desk with the Q3 situated further away. So I'd trust the assessment of the person that Ary Reisin quoted who had done the same-location comparisons.

On the other hand, I still think my comparison has good external validity, because what I really wanted to know was how the Q3 (located where I would normally locate it) compares to the H4 (located where I would normally locate it). Obviously I wouldn't put the Q3 on my music desk if I'm recording video.

Dot, I haven't tried the Q3 in the audio-only setting and putting it where I normally place my H4. If I get the chance this weeked I'll do so. But let us know how it goes for you. smile

Re: My first recording with the Zoom Q3 [Re: Monica K.] #1292957
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Despite all the usability pains with the Q3 software, I am still loving my Q3, and will not be returning it!
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