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#1290968 - 10/20/09 11:47 PM Keyboard top of the line actions  
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I'm wondering which actions for different brands are top of the line, from research I figured that Yamaha's top of the line keyboard action is Natural Wood.

How about for Roland, Kawai, Korg, etc?


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#1291053 - 10/21/09 04:55 AM Re: Keyboard top of the line actions [Re: Random01]  
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NW is Yamaha's most expensive, but, except for the wood keytops, it's the same as the GH3. So I think GH3 and NW are equally good.

Best for Roland is the PHA II with escapement. This is on the HP-207 and LX-10. There's also a PHA III, which is only on the V-Piano so far. It feels very similar.

Korg only has one piano-type action, which is the one on the SP-250.

Kawai has several actions, both wood and plastic. I'll let a Kawai expert comment on them.

#1291200 - 10/21/09 10:06 AM Re: Keyboard top of the line actions [Re: Geoffk]  
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For a slightly different perspective, these comments are based on my daughter because she a) is the best pianist in the house and b) knows nothing about piano technology (i.e. she is not going to be influenced by knowing something is NW vs GH3 vs PHA).

NW vs GH3 - when we were shopping DP's I had her try the GH3 vs NW (and she had no idea which was which) and she expressed a consistent preference for the NW action.

PHAII vs PHAIII - we didn't do a side by side, but again while shopping for DP's we spent a fair amount of time on PHA II. Recently when we had a second and I had her try out the vpiano, the very first statement from her mouth was "oh, this doesn't feel like a digital piano" (in a good way). Just an initial impression and we definitely didn't have a lot of time to spend with it (maybe 10 minutes) so take it for what it's worth.

#1291339 - 10/21/09 02:26 PM Re: Keyboard top of the line actions [Re: Geoffk]  
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For a good view of the Natural Action, see Alden's posts in this thread.

Korg may be getting their RH3 actions from Yamaha. From an earlier thread:

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Montag, IMO the Korg is worth pursuing.

Approximately six years ago there was a rumor that Korg was going bankrupt and that Yamaha had begun supplying actions to Korg. The rumor included the information that Yamaha, which of course was by far the largest manufacturer of digital pianos, was doing this because of anti-trust laws in Japan. (By helping Korg to survive, Yamaha was heading off any accusations of their having a monopoly.)

As far as I know, this rumor was never proven to be true. What I can tell you is that when I went to Korg's site, the description of their action was almost exactly the same - almost word for word - as Yamaha's description of its action.

Currently, Yamaha's best graded hammer action is the GH3. Korg's best action is the RH3. Korg's description says that there are modifications which facilitate fast repetition. That's exactly what Yamaha's GH3 action is supposed to do. The GH3 has a third sensor. You might want to contact Korg's technical support and learn whether the RH3 also has a third sensor. If it does, it could be a Yamaha action.

I think there might be something to this rumor: I've played around with one of Korg's weighted-key workstations ($2,300 I believe) at GC, and the action certainly felt suspiciously like a Yamaha to me. When you consider how different in touch the Casio and Roland actions are from a Yamaha, it would be a huge coincidence if Korg just happened to come up with an action that feels indistinguishable from a Yammie...

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#1291517 - 10/21/09 07:25 PM Re: Keyboard top of the line actions [Re: FogVilleLad]  
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PHAII on RD700GX - no questions. Escapement, ivory etc feels like almost real thing. (in this price range 2-3k)

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